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[–] Steve 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The party literally refused to hold any primary debates, or even primary elections in several states. They gave people no chance to even consider other candates.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And why? Because Dean Philips was doing so strongly, garnering appeal from progressives with his centrist positions?

If you want strong candidates, they need to run. If nobody good runs, then I think we've found the problem.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

And I keep asking the people who say things like this who they canvassed for and they get defensive and don't give me an answer. Much like when I ask the Never-Bidens who I should vote for instead that has a chance of winning.

[–] Steve 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How can we know there were no strong candidates, when they don't get a real chance to run? They (and to be fair, most) simply assumed the incumbent was the best, because that's the way its been forever.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Polling, usually. Otherwise primary results. Most states did have their primary, btw, only a handful cancelled. Each state has their own way of doing it.

Can you name a candidate that was doing well at any point? Better than low single-digits? Dean was the only one I heard much about.

edit: You do remember the write-in uncommitted thing, right? Those were primaries.

[–] Steve -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The early primary states were specifically changed to states where Bidens poll numbers were strongest. And yes, the early primary winners carry that momentum into states where they might be less popular. They didn't have to change the primary order, but chose to, to help Biden.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's funny, I remember Iowa and NH going first like they do every year.

[–] Steve 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay then, next was SC and Nevada. How far do we have to go before we see these changes? And who was the contender that was hurt by the changes?

[–] Steve 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Here's all the changes.

Literally anyone could've been a contender. We don't know who they are, because the party never wanted to seriously entertain anyone other than Biden.

Contrast that with what the Republicans did. They had several debates with anyone who felt like giving it a shot. Trump decided he didn't need participate, and was right. The Democrats could have done similar but refused to.

Biden is too elderly. Trump is too many kinds of wrong. Most people know this. If the Democratic party figures out that Biden is almost the only candates weaker than trump, they'll be able to win.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So, that's pretty much the same order as always, not seeing how that helps anyone.

And you can look up who runs if you want. You do not need to see debates to figure it out, someone announces after they file their paperwork, then its up to them to convince people to support them. You're pretending like the DNC needs to do all this work to serve us up a platter of great options, but ignoring that it's the candidates that determine how they get received. Don't forget, most Americans still hate the idea of communism, too, even if they don't actually know what it is.

This conspiracy theory nonsense is getting tiresome. The real world isn't that simple.

[–] Steve 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's a very capitalistic form of democracy. Candates need to pull themselves up by their boot straps.

While the Republicans promote socialistic politics, giving candates universal basic airtime.

I get it now.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I'd say both the parties are pretty capitalist. The repubs were interested in finding their challenger, they didn't know who it would be yet. The dems, all the way down to the majority of voters, were interested in supporting their incumbent, not interested in a chaotic primary fight.

I think that's still largely the case.