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Trump pulls out of interview after paper questions dubious claims about crime rate
(www.independent.co.uk)
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I watched the debate between Trump and Biden and could hardly believe that there were no fact checks at all from the moderators. Sure, it would have been good if Biden had pointed out more clearly that almost every statement Trump made was factually incorrect. But can you really just tell any tall tales in your presidential debates without even mentioning any facts? That seems absurd. Is that the norm for presidential debates in the US? Or is it just that Trump would not have participated if there were fact checks?
Do you think for a second that Trump would agree to a debate with fact checking?
No, but I thought the US public wouldn't let him get away with never engaging in a (factual) debate. That would make him look weak, because that's how democracy usually works. You know, arguments and counter-arguments - that sort of thing.
Trump lies at a rate where fact checkers can't keep up.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
This sums it up nicely, and why I think he's like any bully: he picks his fights and only ones he can win.
I don't think so. It's just the same lies he repeats over and over again.
Repeating lies is essential to get the "poorly educated" to believe.
Someone called the Trump Trot.
It would have been best if there was fact checking as part of the debate, but as you speculated, there's no way Trump would agree to that. And, to be fair, it's probably a difficult thing to do live and accurately in timely manner.
However, other news agencies were doing fact checking during and following the debate.
Yes, it's certainly not easy to check facts live. But you can at least be well prepared, especially as the questions are asked by the journalists and they should also know the usual claims made by the candidates. I also don't think it's necessary to check every figure. I just mean that it makes sense to name obvious false statements as such - Trump has made enough of them, and most of them were anything but new. And yes, it is of course also true that there are fact-checks after the fact, but I think that this is often not noticed at all. The presidential debates are an event that many people watch, but unfortunately only a few inform themselves afterwards. That's why I think it's necessary to expose at least the grossest untruths immediately.
The media are owned by the oligarchs and those mostly back Trump. Simple as that.
I can't argue with that.