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Marx didn't live long enough to see just how ineffectual that line of thinking actually is.
I don't think "ineffectual" is the word you're looking for there.
Is the US Socialist? Has Socialism been brought about by establishment parties anywhere in history?
Nope, which is part of the problem.
Yep, which is why Socialists answered the Reform or Revolution question in Marx's time quite definitively. The answer is Revolution.
careful what you say to jordanlund. he's a mod and despite his supposed love for socialism (and chaotic good t-shirt), he likes to ban accounts that promote violent revolution.
If my relatively tame comments defending the basics of Marxism get me banned, then they will be doing me a favor.
Admins and mods in the West are walking a fine legal line, and servers can be seized. Not saying I agree with it, but that I do recognize it.
Yes. Look up 'the New Deal.'
FDR was a Social Democrat, not a Socialist.
Slow motion is better than no motion.
It's pointless to argue over who is a 'real' Socialist. I can come up with arguments about anyone you care to name to prove they weren't 'real' Socialists. What are the policies that actually improve people's lives?
FDR was okay, then his safety nets were stripped away. They were only ever temporary concessions because Capitalists were always the ones in control, and they still are. In this manner, it was eventually no motion.
Almost as if it's important to get out and vote in every election.
Ronald Reagan sabotaged Jimmy Carter's Iran policy and squeaked in with the help of spoiler John Anderson.
You yourself said it; there were good policies in place, the Right hated them, and used a lot of dirty tricks to get rid of the good policies.
Having good government is like controlling diabetes; you have to be vigilant all the time.
Jesus christ, that's just not what socialism is.
There's a reason why social-democrats are castigated in communist circles. Social-democratic policy is always inevitably eroded because social safety nets don't solve the fundamental contradiction of capitalism. It isn't a matter of 'getting out the vote'
I've spent decades listening to Communists tell me that the revolution was just around the corner.
And i've spent decades listening to liberals tell me that capitalism just needs to be reformed.
So we agree. The Communist revolution isn't coming anytime soon so we should work with what we've got.
Errrrr, do we though? lmao
Well, either you think the revolution is close at hand, or you think it isn't and people should suffer as much as possible.
Either you think reform will liberate the working class from capitalist oppression, or you think it can't and people should just shut up about it already.
The US got an eight hour day, child labor laws, environmental laws, and things like Social Security and the ADA without a revolution, so yes, I do think reform is possible.
Lol, well sounds like everything is going swell then no need for revolution!
Funny thing is that I was taught by some old school Communists; folks who fought in Spain and came home to face the blacklists. Back in 1968 they were telling people to vote for Humphrey because they knew how bad Nixon would be.
How could I have possibly questioned your communist educational backround lol
Funny. You say you're all for a blood soaked revolution, but you aren't in Palestine or Ukraine or Yemen or any other place where real bullets are flying.
"You say you oppose capitalism, and yet you exist in it? Interesting...."
Almost as if the point of socialism is to strip away the the means of production from the capitalists in order to install a dictatorship of the proletariat, and not simply apply social safety-net band-aids so that capitalism can continue to function.
American liberals are so exhausting in their selective application of definitions.
100%, I'm trying to get them to come to that conclusion on "their own."
Would make things a lot easier, lol
If it wasn't for his Secretary of Labor, Francis Perkins, who was socialist, none of the things that he passed would have ever come to fruition. He gets way too much for credit for the ideology of a female socialist
Same capitalists trying the same failed tactics of voter suppression.
Every one of his perspectives of capitalism and it's bourgeoisie governments still rings true.
Rings true, isn't true in actual practice.
Sounds a lot like the Trumpers decide if something is true to me.
Rings true in practice