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No one was arrested? I'm not from the US. Is being an open nazi and rallying for hate speech legal?
I believe most States in the US draw the line at "(directly) inciting violence" or "creating a disaster" (eg. shouting "Fire!" In a crowded theatre).
For whatever reasons, shouting "white power" and "Jews will not replace us" while waving swastika flags is not considered "inciting violence" in the US, even though the implications are very clear to everyone. This has allowed Nazis to march in the streets for decades in the US.
For whatever reasons
The reason is cops and judges agree with those reasons.
Waving nazi flags and using their slogans should be treated as a threat at all times. There is no possible way that anything nazi is not implied violence.
Some of those that work forces
Are the same that burn crosses
Know your enemy
I agree, but I wanted to stick to the less disputed parts of the answer. I simply can't do justice to the topic of US support for Nazi ideology and its extensive history, even though it is a topic well worth researching. Depressing but important, like many other things in this world.
At this point I just recommend listening to The War on Everyone audiobook by Robert Evans. It does a pretty great job of spelling out this countries history with fascism
If anyone reading this votes Democrat and stands firm in support of gun control, that Nazi piece of shit and his buddies will continue to arm up ignoring the law because said cops are on their sides and will never prosecute them; you might as well lay down and let them fuck you over until you die because you are incapable or too cowardly to arm yourself to protect your community through deterrence.
Written like a true sociopath.
I guess I'm just as bad as those Nazis for wanting to protect vulnerable people.
I guess LGBTQIA+ people can go fuck themselves, from what you're implying.
I'm not implying anything. I'm directly suggesting you are a sociopath, based upon your comments in this post. If your answer to a social/political issue is "GUNz!" you're more than a little mentally askew.
A Nazi skinhead white supremacists have "gunz" and you don't. Guess who will win in a fight?
To me it always seemed weird how saying "we should eradicate jews by our own hand" or "we should kill this jew" would probably not be okay because of inciting violence, but saying "we should eradicate jews... Through the law/state" instead is perfectly acceptable and not inciting violence.
Is one level of indirection really enough to make it okay? The end result is the same.
This is also why such free speech has problems. If you're the one spewing that shit it's all fine and dandy for you, but if you're the targeted minority what can you do, exactly? Certainly you cannot legally physically defend yourself! You're just destined to have to defend your literal existence with speech, like jeez. It's so lopsided.
It doesn't make sense when you look at it through the lens of "violence is a bad thing", which is what we're generally led to believe it is about. It does make sense when you look at it through the lens of "xenophobia personally benefits/ed me and my other friends currently in power and I would like to keep it that way but I don't want to do the dirty work myself".
Unfortunately most places have a history of the people in power exploiting other groups of people for their benefit, and this is just one way in which it manifests. It feels weird because we know it isn't congruent with what we're taught about how people in a society should behave.
Yes. Ostensibly because of the first amendment, but mostly because cops won't arrest their off-duty coworkers for doing shit they wholeheartedly agree with.
yes, it's protected free speech and assembly under the 1st amendment to the constitution.
Interesting. I figured with all the fresh anti-nazism immediately after WW2 the US would have made some kind of law against this kind of thing considering just how much people at the time disliked Nazis. Maybe they just thought it wouldn't happen in the US later on? Or the cold war threat made everyone reprioritize perhaps?
I'm speaking and thinking from a historical lense regardless of modern politics if that wasn't clear
Nah from what I know of history and I could be wrong about some details - there was a significant portion of our population that were nazi sympathizers among other things - I figure that might be a big reason why it was never truly dealt with
Apparently, calling for the extermination/subjugation of whole races doesn’t qualify as “shouting fire in a crowded theatre.”
Yes. Any law making that illegal would be unconstitutional. They're assholes, but until they do or say something that is part of commiting a crime they still have a right to free speech.
Yes. :-(