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It’s indiscriminate bombing in response to indiscriminate bombing. No one benefits from this.
Perhaps the one nation that is inextricably linked to the west could stop escalating it then aye.
Like we can’t control Iran, but we should be able to reign in Israel’s bloodlust. Alas, if we couldn’t control them in Gaza then I’m afraid that rabid dog is out of control.
You and I will agree that Israel is escalating this near century old conflict and the US needs to stop sending weapons to them, but nothing good will come from more bombs being dropped in the region.
I think this conflict only started when Israel were given someone else land and decided to take more and more.
But no one back then is still alive.
You're factually wrong. They're old and still being murdered. But many victims of the nakba are still alive.
even if you were right, that would be like a murderer saying his actions were justified because all the victims are dead now. fucking what? do you think about what the words mean together in a sentence before you say them or
It looks like Iran is focusing on Targeting military targets, while Israel has been attacking civilian targets, killing already over a thousand in Lebanon. On top still facilitating a genocide in Gaza. The only way for this cycle of violence to end is for Israel to stop the aggression, which I only see as realistic when the US stops sending weapons
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/02/nx-s1-5135646/iran-missile-strike-israel-appears-to-hit-some-targets
https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-october-1-2024/
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Yes, I'm aware what the position of the US State Department is. They will always defend America and it's Allies regardless of the situation. I don't know why you would just take them at their word instead of look for independent verification. None of this discredit my points in the previous comment, it does show how far Miller will lie about Israeli operations, which have already killed over a thousand civilians in Lebanon.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-iran-hezbollah-conflict/card/iran-gave-warning-ahead-of-attack-in-response-israel-promised-heavy-retaliation-bLNC6W0OspEIy0DwdquQ
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/01/politics/iran-missile-attack-israel/index.html
Thank you for confirming that Iran did not tell US officials about the attack. Your sources definitely helped me reach the factual conclusion.
And I'm providing substance to the discussion. What did I say that was discrediting something? Unless something in that quote, you feel, attacks one of your points?
No, they did not directly tell the US as far as I can tell. They did so indirectly and with short notice, different from the last time when they gave a 72 hour warning.
Miller states that the Iranian strikes were targeting civilians, while Israel does not target civilians. Both of which are not true.
Notice how Miller, who is representing the US State Department here, frames all of Israel's actions as defensive and just (despite directly bombing a Capitol, killing hundreds of civilians, and starting a ground invasion), while all the actions of any of Israel's enemies are unjust and demands consequences (despite attacking military targets and not civilian targets). The double standards are blatant and intentional, in order to justify the US's continued military support of Israel, despite public opinion, US Law, and International Law.
Yes I understand Iran objectively lied and never told us, directly or indirectly, based on the evidence. The rest of this sounds like your opinion. And as though mistrust should be taken towards our officials.
Well, I believe them, and I agree with their stance on Iran.
This is no longer a factual discussion, and I won't be continuing.
And I picked up on the attempt to incorrectly frame what was said in the quote. Miller did not say all the things you're claiming.
The planet does.
Fewer humans is always a win for the planet long term, the only entity we are basically united as a species in generational war against. The only entity we by actions hate more than ourselves and each other. We're the worst biological catastrophe to evolve since the trees of the Carboniferous period that captured too much carbon before the bacteria that could decompose them had evolved, but unlike those trees that lacked agency, we do the vodoo that we do by choice.
I dislike my species a little more each day, based on our actions of said day. It's quite cathartic in the face of such madness to remember that our mother will win that war she didn't instigate against her ungrateful little brat mistake of evolution, and she will recover from that mistake in no time to the Earth, just a couple million years in its 3.8 billion year history of almost entirely homeostatic life. It will be as if all the world's religions and cultures of manipulative avarice never existed at all.
Thats a happy ending. The world will have peace once more. Anyway, how bout this October heat?
Not at all. It entirely depends on which humans. There is a very small number responsible for the overwhelming share of planetary destruction.
I mean, I'd agree with you, but the humans that actually aren't a threat to the planet, that lived in homeostasis with the Earth, barely exist anymore, the humans with flags saw to that.
For the record yes, the developed world's quality of life should be much, much, much, lower, and the very concept of economic growth/metastasis should be a widely accepted slur at this point, as it's killing us.
Part of not being a threat to Earth is also not building and maintaining, let alone growing a massive military industrial complex, which means being destroyed by humans that want your shit and don't care about the future doing it, so it's a paradox.