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[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 55 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

The article mentions people are willing to suspend their belief in understandingthe truth in order to further their "team" or party objective, but I think this whole thing is simply foreign adversaries vying to destroy us from within by sowing contempt and spreading lies on social media and news outlets.

Occam's Razor.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Occam's Razor would suggest this is largely a domestic problem, perhaps exacerbated by foreign adversaries but far from being all their work.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

Por que no los dos?

A meek, terrified populace is ripe fruit for the picking for actors both internal & external.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think it's been foreign adversaries meddling with our politics. Our whole country knows we need to be spending a lot more on public education. It's not a mystery. Ask anybody who's been in a public school.

And then with the grip that social media has on our masses, The ease with which social media silos us into a weird kind of social affirmation tunnel vision platform that essentially brainwashes us.

If you're a foreign adversary that's already meddling in the United States politics, it's a hop skip and a jump to start meddling in their private sector. In fact it's quite a lot easier id imagine.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If you’re a foreign adversary that’s already meddling in the United States politics, it’s a hop skip and a jump to start meddling in their private sector.

You don't need any scary duplicitous foreigners for that, our own billionaires, are quite transparent about their desire and actions to "reform" education by channeling money from public schools to voucher schools. Bill Gates alone had put >10 billion into privatizing schools in America between ~2008 and ~2018., and haven't stopped.

Russia buying $40,000 worth of FB ads is an utter drop in the bucket next to the oceans of influence our own billionaires/corporations legally exercise.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

we need to be spending a lot more on public education.

That probably won't help much, until USA becomes more socially responsible overall.
The evidence is VERY clear, your chances of doing well in education decline dramatically with greater social problems.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

your chances of doing well in education decline dramatically with greater social problems.

And that's because we don't spend enough on education... If the schools could provide sufficient support for all their students, then it wouldn't just be the ones with means who succeed.

The suggestion that spending more on schools won't fix a whole lot of problems, that's just ridiculous. It's pretty obvious, but it's also demonstrably untrue. For instance, it's well documented that smaller classrooms result in better outcomes for students. If schools could afford more teachers, they could have smaller classrooms. Similarly, better and newer materials result in better outcomes. And like in any field, paying higher salaries can attract a higher caliber of employee, so higher pay for teachers would also mean better teachers. As it is, public school teachers need a master's degree and you can't really expect teachers to spend more time in college racking up debt when they can only hope to pay it off after 30 years of teaching, you know unless they made more money.

[–] hobovision@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Isn't occams razor the idea that it's stupidity, not malice?

You explain two types of "malice" - one which is primarily driven by a lack of critical thinking and another which is an intentionally planned attack.

Occams razor would say the former is more likely. You may have well said "fuck occams razor I believe it's Russian bots"

[–] automattable@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Occam’s Razor is that the simplest answer is probably right.

You’re thinking of Hanson’s razor which states:

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] automattable@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Dammit, lol. Autocorrect got me and I didn’t notice.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Occams's razor is, go with the simplest explanation.

There's another quippy rule that says a lot of what looks like malice is just incompetence.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

lol holy shit the irony contained within this comment is 🤌

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's begging the question.