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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago (3 children)

There's so many things Kamala can do to guarantee she wins...

Taking a stand against genocide is just one of them, but she just keeps going to the right.

It's the exact opposite of what voters want, but exactly what donors want and why they're donating.

Shit won't get better until we at least get dirty money out of our party.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There’s so many things Kamala can do to guarantee she wins…

In a world where a surprisingly high proportion of society are moderately to completely sure that the Government can control major weather events, I must say I am more than a little skeptical about the idea that anyone can convince a majority of the populace to make what is self-evidently the best decision based on factual information that they can process and compare against other statements until reaching a cohesive conclusion not based more or less entirely on self-serving and/or ideological biases.

[–] Steve 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That comment needs an editor.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Your comment needs to be interesting. Briefly checking your post history, this seems to a recurring issue.

[–] Steve 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You thought it was interesting enough to go look at my history? That's quite flattering. Or it would be.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And doing shit like trotting out the Cheney's. Nobody likes these people any more, who the fuck are you doing this for? I swear to God, the West Wing has broken the brains of every consultant in Washington.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The people running the DNC and Kamala's campaign are the same ones that lost to trump in 2016 and beat him by the skin of our teeth in 2020, in spite of their decisions

I'll say it till my face turns blue:

Shit is too important to be letting these unelected "moderates" being the sole deciders of what our only other option is

They don't really care about if trump wins, they care about keeping billionaires and corporations happy

They're not on the same side as the Dem voting base.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Won't stop them from blaming the Dem voter base instead of their own bad campaigning and lack of popular progressive policies

[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The following are all true:

  1. Supporters of both Israel and Palestine are, by default, likely to vote Democrat
  2. Both of them also are likely to consider the conflict their one issue of primary importance, where they cannot imagine voting for someone who supports the other side.
  3. There is no way to please all of them.

This is simple logical arithmetic. The best strategy is to say nothing, and not piss anyone off. Because if you choose to piss off one side and support the other, you'll end up making the other go to Trump or decide to stay home. And if that happens, it'll be Miriam Adelson deciding the policy and that means Israel takes both Gaza and the West Bank and expels everyone they don't like.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There is much evidence to show that is not true. Harris changing position on Gaza to support withholding weapons would only be a gain of voters. Polling shows as much as 6 points if not more, which is significant, especially with the race this close. And especially in swing states like Michigan.

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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.

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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.

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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.

Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.