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I'm a capitalist. The person you are responding to sounded very reasonable.
"the US doesn't like"
That's very true. The us does not like north Korea. That isn't saying north Korea is good. It's just saying there are motives at play to make north Korea look as bad as possible.
If I said Jeffrey Epstein was a cannibal, you can say "no he wasn't" without thinking he was a good person.
Not really important, but a capitalist is someone who has a significant amount of capital.
Someone who supports the existence of capitalism is called a liberal.
Do you work for a living? If so, then you aren't part of the capitalist class.
Funny side note I think the problem with both systems is lazy people not doing what they should.
I won't go over the example for how lazy people could effect socialism because I'm sure you've heard it a million times before.
I skip straight to capitalism.
People don't vote with their dollar like they should. Everyone hates Walmart, they still shop at Walmart. Everyone hates child slavery, they still buy chocolate. Women want real pockets in their clothing, they still buy clothing that does not have pockets.
I'm lazy too in that way. I don't shop at Walmart, and I don't really like chocolate.... But I hate how shitty airlines are... When I fly tho, I buy the cheapest ticket on the cheapest airline. Every single time.
That's the problem with capitalism. I'm lazy, we're all lazy.
It’s not laziness.
Most people are too resource poor, too time poor, and too exhausted from being violently forced to be profitable to someone else, to have the headspace to do what you suggest.
You can indeed spend every waking moment optimizing your life, but then you would be just one person among tens of thousands who could be successful doing that. 99.999% of people would utterly burn out trying to achieve the same. They don’t have the underlying intergenerational wealth that would give them the ability to do so, or don’t have the free time to do so, or have too high of a cognitive load just putting one foot in front of the other to do so. Vanishingly few people are “just too lazy” to do so, and of those who are, they are the ones who can monetarily afford to be lazy.
It’s why poverty is fiendishly expensive, and why it is almost impossible to escape poverty
I'm new to this platform and can't tell if I already replied to this or not.
I totally understand and agree with your point. In case I already replied to this I'll just give my short answer.
If I could snap my finger and magically make a perfect capitalist system (or socialist for that matter) no corruption or greed. Starting absolutely fresh and right with the perfect principles in place for the system... And also all of us people started fresh, well rested, well fed, thinking clearly...
I think people would still buy the cheapest chocolate and ignore the slaves, they'd still shop at Walmart, and I'd still book the cheap airline ticket and complain I have no leg room, and a handful of super rich elites would quickly regain literally all the power.
You absolutely nailed it on the head with everything thing you said, that's exactly why I don't call out system true capitalism. I also agree the lives we are forced to live prevent us from having time to sort this stuff out.
I just don't think we'd be less lazy (myself included) even if we did have the time and energy. I feel the same problem in both systems.
1)good idea
revaluation
get lazy
back to essentially where we started.
Yes someone explain my poor phrasing. They even mentioned the word I mentioned but I forget.
I'm not the capitalist version of a tanky.
I believe the concept of capitalism could work, and I believe it would work better than socialism. Another common ground I have with socialist is that I understand the examples of my preferred... Arrangement of society have been corrupted and not run under the ideas they claim.
That's what I mean by common ground and that's where I sympathize. I wouldn't want someone pointing at trump and saying "that's capitalism!" And I would never point at Kim jun un and say "that's socialism"
I also understand the "ideal, pure, perfect implementation" of either idea probably isn't possible.
I lean more to capitalism.
That's what I meant when I said "I'm a capitalist" I misspoke.
What on earth do you think you saying you are a capitalist does?
There are smart communists, and as you so succinctly prove, capitalists that are less so.
Pointing out I can disagree with someone's ideas and still recognize when they are being very reasonable.
Ah the ol' "you're stupid" rebuttal. Works every time. Automatic win in every debate lol
I'm slowly learning to stop arguing with people whose first instinct is to throw out an insult
Yesh, look at OBJECTION s response, and call that smart if you like lol. There are people who are smart, and others who, well, aren't.
Others
Ftfy
Thx, fixed