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The bitter nationwide debate over transgender rights is playing out on a very personal level in a federal court lawsuit filed in Virginia by a former Liberty University employee. She was fired by the evangelical Christian school after disclosing her identity as a transgender woman.

The lawsuit on behalf of Ellenor Zinski was filed in July by the American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia and the Richmond law firm of Butler Curwood. It alleges that she was fired last year from her job on Liberty’s Information Technology help desk solely because of her gender identify, in violation of the U.S. Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Earlier this month, the conservative legal organization Liberty Counsel filed a brief on behalf of the university asking the federal district court to dismiss the lawsuit. The brief contends that the Civil Rights Act explicitly permits religious educational institutions to make employment decisions consistent with their religious doctrine — in this case a doctrinal statement asserting that “denial of birth sex by self-identification with a different gender” is sinful.

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[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 51 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I was about to say, why the fuck would you work for a Christian organization if you are trans? It's like being black and working for the KKK.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not at all. If these people actually read the Bible they’d be completely fine with trans people. They don’t, they just make up shit to fit their preexisting beliefs and then call themselves Christian.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

It depends what kind of Christianity you're dealing with. Where I live, most of the churches have rainbow flags on display with "everyone's welcome here" messages and lost of leftish liberals with fairly progressive views. Some even put pro-LGBTQ+ messages on their signs that call people out for bigotry. But Liberty University isn't that kind of Christianity.

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yup. A lot of churches have the stance of "love thy neighbor. Did I fucking stutter?" and it's very refreshing after decades of nonstop hate. Not saying the hate isn't still out there, but we've come a long way even in the past 10 years.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

love thy neighbor

I guess Jesus didn't consider his neighbor's slaves to be neighbors as well... Or is there something about a slave that makes them not need love like other humans?

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I am quite certain that the churches I'm talking about are adamantly against slavery.

[–] TheCannonball@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think he's referring to Jesus' pro-slavery stances.

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't see how that's relevant to the conversation

[–] TheCannonball@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You don't see how Jesus Christ, the Messiah of the Christian church, who are named for being "Christ like", and the Bible, the holy book of his teachings and God's stances on the rules to enter heaven, are relevent to his people?

I actually agree with you.

Jesus and the Bible are irrelevant to Christians.

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Please show where the Bible states that you must support slavery to enter heaven.

[–] TheCannonball@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

It's not that you have to, but the very fact that i could owns slaves, beat them daily, rape them, sell them, and do almost anything I wanted with them and God would give me a thumbs up as I walked through the pearly gates.

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 4 points 2 weeks ago

Gee, it's almost as if their religion's name patron had preached to love and forgive each other and aid the poor and downtrodden. Crazy thought.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There must be a bunch of episcopalians in your area

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago

I see pride flags mostly on Methodist and Presbyterian churches in my area

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm just amazed they didn't figure it out sooner. She does look like she can pass, but I'm still amazed. You would think a place so paranoid of atheist librul indoctrination would run background checks before they hire anyone. Unless a background check wouldn't turn up her deadname, I guess...

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Unless a background check wouldn't turn up her deadname, I guess...

It absolutely would. There might not be anything specific about gender identity, but it wouldn't be too hard to do the math.

I think it's more likely that they don't do background checks, because they don't want to appear on c/priestarrested.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Late2TheParty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I see what you did there. And, I like it!

[–] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

it wouldn't be too hard to do the math.

I think you severely overestimate their ability to do math.

[–] Jumpingspiderman@reddthat.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not all Christian organizations would have an issue. However the conservative ones, which are unfortunately the majority, would.

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

True. The ones who ignore the Bible are less offensive.