this post was submitted on 11 Nov 2024
901 points (90.3% liked)

politics

19243 readers
2285 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Summary

President Joe Biden’s economic achievements—lowering inflation, reducing gas prices, creating jobs, and boosting manufacturing—are largely unrecognized by the public, despite his successes.

His tenure saw landmark legislation like the Inflation Reduction Act, CHIPS Act, and major infrastructure investments.

However, Biden's approval ratings remain low, attributed to inflation backlash, weak communication, and a media landscape prone to misinformation.

Democrats face a “propaganda problem” rather than a policy failure, with many voters likely to credit incoming President Trump for Biden’s accomplishments due to partisan messaging and social media dynamics.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 119 points 1 month ago (6 children)

The issue with politics is that you don't just have to address a problem, you also need to publicize what you did.

Maybe the dems did effectively address some problems, but they did a poor PR jobs out of it.

[–] oyo@lemm.ee 98 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Outrageous lies are what make the news.

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, somehow trump doesn’t have a credibility problem despite being a pathological liar and I don’t think it was possible for the democrats to effectively counter that when he’s not being held accountable. We need live fact checking in debates and he needs to be publicly called out every time he lies, but then he just won’t agree to the debate and will go hold a town hall on Fox News.

[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He does have a credibility problem, AND is a liar. His base doesn't care. People idolize celebrities, musicians, even models. I feel like this is the first time I've seen people swoon this hard over a politician, and it blows other fandoms away in fealty and dedication.

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I agree that he has no credibility, but can it really be considered a problem for him if his base outright refuses to hold him accountable for lying through his teeth whenever he opens his mouth? They don’t care what he does, so his credibility is not a problem for them (it certainly is for me though).

[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's high time the Dems stooped to this level. That and promote ragebait podcasts pushing their agenda. It's sad, but you can't argue with the results.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So many of the problems Dems want to address are so easy to sell too. It's like they don't actually want to win or achieve anything, they're content to be a permanent minority opposition party that continues fundraising and campaigning ad infinitum.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago
[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Dems quietly fix things, Repubs loudly claim credit, even when they actively obstructed the fixes. There are uncountable examples of Republican legislators patting themselves on the back for getting legislation passed that actively helps their constituents, when in fact they voted against it. It passed despite them, not because of them, but they still campaign on it and win because of it. Meanwhile Democrats are generally helpful and honest and get the shaft because they don't call out that bullshit and claim their wins as they should.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's also true in many tertiary jobs too, communication of what you made matters at least as much as what you made.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

For sure, this is a hard lesson learned for me - it doesn't matter if you're doing good work if no one knows about it, so if you want to be rewarded for your work you'll have to spend less time actually doing it and more time doing marketing for what you've done.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

They can't really trumpet their victories because they are far short of what their base actually wanted. Dems leadership would be out there celebrating the crumbs they acquired from the oligarchy while the base wanted a full meal. The Democratic party positioned itself in a lose lose situation. Either they go all in one what the base wants and win elections, but the Bidens and Nancy Pelosi's of the party won't get fat paydays from the donors. So they went with winning some elections by just being marginally better than the dumb nazi party. Not a both sides argument just a fact. If the Democrat leadership actually put a full left-facing platform and candidate they would actually have to achieve some outcomes they fundamentally don't agree with. Dem leadership doesn't believe in less war, less imprisonment, less pollution, or more education, more health care, more compassion. They just don't. So they've just stopped even lying about wanting those things that way they aren't even expected to bring about change.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl -1 points 1 month ago

Messaging has always been a big problem for the Democratic Party. Unlike the GOP, they are a "big tent", so many points of view abound. There's just no comparison to the organized, disciplined, well-funded messaging of right-wing media...

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If they had actually fixed any problems, they wouldn't need to "publicize" it.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Yeah this "dems bad at messaging" line of excuses is really tired to me. If things are going good in your life you don't need to be told by someone that it is, you just know it in your bones.

Conversely all the "messaging" in the world won't convince us things are going fine when our daily life experience is the opposite.

Dems aren't bad at messaging because they are bad at getting the word out, it's that decades of messaging without follow-through with measurable, noticeable increase in quality of our daily lives means we don't believe the message anymore

If you're someone's boss and all they ever do when they fuck up is blame others for their failures and when you bring em in your office they hand you a 10 page document explaining all the work they tried to do, pedantically explaining how you're and idiot that "just doesn't see all the work they've looked into." ?? You'd fuckin fire em right?

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Inflation is really one of these things where people find out much later that the problem is fixed. For instance, Biden inherited a high inflation regime which baked in about 10-15 percent price increases before he could do anything to stop it. By the time he brought inflation down, prices had increased by something like 20 percent. Inflation has now been brought down to 2-3 percent, but most people will simply observe that prices are 20 percent higher than when he started.

Another big issue is counterfactual reasoning. US inflation was lower than in other developed countries, but people only notice that it was higher than they were used to.

In a nutshell, policy is really complicated. You do not feel the consequences of good policy in your bones.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You do not feel the consequences of good policy in your bones.

I am certain this bit here is where we may just have to disagree my friend. It has been so long since we have had bones-deep good policy we have forgotten what that might feel like.

Regardless, this is a lesson the DNC must learn, not you or i. All the 10 page excuses are meaningless if you first aren't elected to push em, and that's where they are right now

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yes indeed call me a skeptic, but I do not trust my bones (or any other body part that’s not my brain). Bones and their feelings are the target of charlatans and populist (like Trump).

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago

What other problems would you have liked them to solve?