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Summary

Trump’s popular vote share has fallen below 50% to 49.94%, with Kamala Harris at 48.26%, narrowing his margin of victory.

Trump’s share of the popular vote is lower than Biden’s in 2020 (51.3%), Obama’s in 2012 (51.1%) and 2008 (52.9%), George W. Bush’s in 2004 (50.7%), George H.W. Bush’s in 1988 (53.2%), Reagan’s in 1984 (58.8%) and 1980 (50.7%), and Carter’s in 1976 (50.1%).

The 2024 election results highlight Trump’s narrow victory and the need for Democrats to address their mistakes and build a diverse working-class coalition.

The numbers also give Democrats a reason to push back on Trump’s mandate claims, noting most Americans did not vote for him.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 33 points 1 month ago (4 children)

He still won the popular vote.

[–] SquatDingloid@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

By being less less poplar than he was last election, because the Dems were even less poplar

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What do poplar trees have to do with this ?

[–] __Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Their wood is too soft to stand up to the Republicans, the Democrats need something stronger, like oak or maple.

[–] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I kinda like the sound of Maplecrat.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what Yew can do for your country!

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Soon there will be no more of them

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The first line of the summary starts with ...

Trump’s popular vote share has fallen

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago

He still has more than Harris. I'm not thrilled about any of this, I just don't see any sort of significance of being under 50% when we already don't use the popular vote for anything meaningful. If it drops below Harris's, then that's worth talking about.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago

Very, very slimly.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i think in presidential elections in order to "win" you need at minimum a 51% vote. Otherwise you don't actually win, but i could be mixing some shit up lol.

Voting is fucking weird.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can win the presidency with as little as 22% of the popular vote. https://youtu.be/7wC42HgLA4k

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

is this the electoral college win, or did they "win" the popular vote since they had more of the votes than the opponent.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A genuine real win via the electoral college can happen with as little as 22% of the popular vote.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

yeah i believe i said winning the popular vote though.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You asked me an "or" question.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

yeah, and it was the wrong answer.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Your question doesn't make any sense, but I was being polite.

The scenario described is illustrating how lobsided small states' electoral votes are. With 22% of the popular vote a candidate can with the electoral vote. Their opponent gets the other 78% of the popular vote.

It's always an air-quotes "win" of the popular vote in America because we don't use the popular vote to determine the winner.

The video is short. I've spent longer talking about it than the runtime of it. Just go watch it if you want the content explained.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i believe in the original comment, i was referring to the popular vote, you could surmise i was talking about the electoral vote if you thought i was somehow converting elector votes into percentage points. But that would be weird.

iirc my original statement was that you need a certain minimum percent of the votes to officially win the popular vote, irrelevant to the electoral vote.

It seems like you're abstracting winning the popular vote, to winning the election, which are two vastly different concepts, as is winning the electoral vote.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It seems like you're abstracting winning the popular vote, to winning the election, which are two vastly different concepts, as is winning the electoral vote.

I'm literally not doing that, just watch the video if you're confused. You can win over 50% of the electoral vote with as little as 22% of the popular vote by winning the smallest states first because they have proportionally more votes. I fear I can't make this simpler for you to understand. The video is like five minutes.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i dont ever recall mentioning the electoral vote, but you do you boo

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

is this the electoral college win, or did they "win" the popular vote since they had more of the votes than the opponent.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

You can win the presidency with as little as 22% of the popular vote.

interesting, don't see anything about winning the popular presidential election here

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I wasn't contradicting you. I was sharing a (not so) fun fact.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

no but that was also me asking a clarifying question, because i knew you were talking about the electoral college, and i was talking about the popular presidential vote.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't understand the point of this exchange. Watch the video. I was literally just sharing a video.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

yeah, i really don't understand it either, but i guarantee you the video is going to agree with my knowledge on the topic anyway.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 4 weeks ago

Well, apparently not since my statement confused you so much.