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Yeah, it must be the numerous different "nutty" mods! It's definitely not you that's the common denominator here!
Right? "I've been banned from enough communities on different topics that I can't keep track! Could it be that I'm an asshat? No, it's definitely the mods..."
I looked at the modlog and while OP seems snarky, sarcastic, and opinionated, their bans seem pretty unnecessary by my standards. The stated reasons seem fairly dubious, more mod finds your opinion disagreeable than any rule-breaking.
Moderation on Lemmy is a shit show honestly.
I mean, moderators are just people. When you put people to act as a judge, whether being in a court of law, or a internet forum, its the same problem with people having their own biases. Lemmy is new, has a small pool of users, there is a smaller selection of people to act as mods. But Lemmy is not run as a bussiness like reddit, so the instance admins that are just fediverse enthusiasts can step in and remove mods that are just powetripping, unlike reddit that doesn't want to do anything about it
The issue there is that admins are also overworked volunteers, so they have little incentive to step in an anger their mods who they depend on to manage local communities.
I’m not saying anyone involved here is a bad person, just that the system as it currently works creates bad outcomes. I’m not totally sure what would be better but I’d like to see more experimentation on this topic.
!pleasantpolitics@slrpnk.net has a limited form of automated moderation. I don’t think this particular method will solve the problem but I’d like to see more similar experiments.
reddit and lemmy are nearly homogenous in terms of humor and politics and personality. there's a way to speak so that your comments aren't misunderstood and it often means prefacing what you're about to say with some context that wouldn't otherwise be needed, or ending with /s or something like that. if you've been here long enough you forget how weird this is
In my experience, that's just the .world instance and its associated halo of federated communities.
It's actually really cool how there's multiple spheres of culture on lemmy, which are more and less Reddity.
that probably just means you fit into the online personality mold that exists here
I mean there are some shit mods man. I got banned from a community once because I criticized a New York Post article. Said it was baseless and there was no substance to it. I guess the guy was mad that I correctly identified the source.
I got banned once for saying the holocaust was one of many genocides throughout history and not unique...
Edit: I'm really curious to know if people downvoting the above statement think Nazis invented the genocide?
People are downvoting you, because while the Holocaust wasn't the first nor last genocide, it still is unique. Your initial statement makes two claims, but you only refer to the one less controversial one in your "curious edit".
It is unique in the sense that every genocide has been unique. My statement for which I got banned was in the context of 'nothing like this has ever happened to anybody else!'
But that was one case, of course there are some mods that are just shit (or maybe just interpreted things wrong, made a mistake or acted based on emotions for various reasons) but if it's this many cases, it becomes kinda hard to believe that all of those mods are the issue and not the person getting banned by multiple mods
you can go read OP's modlog and report back to support your claim ;)
I actually did but in another comment
respect.
Are you saying there aren't a metric fuckton of power-tripping nutjobs in self-appointed positions of authority in the Fediverse?
I mean, most other people here aren't banned on so many communities that we want a way to display all the communities we're banned on
Ok? So?
I'd like to compare lists with a bunch of people like OP. It would be handy for average Lemmings to know which communities have moderators with sandy cracks. It would be super useful for admins looking to improve their mod teams.
Honestly, you're right. I also apologized to OP in another comment. I don't know why I was so against them when I wrote these comments.
I get it. Have a snickers.
Bootlicker will always side with authority by default, it is a human condition and one of the mean reasons why we are getting fucked. The harder normie bootlicks, the harder daddy owner fucks us. It starts with basic shit like this but goes all the way up.
Lemmy really needs an app with a de-moderation feature, like Uneddit did for Reddit.
The modlog is great, but it relies on the user going out and looking for power-tripping mods. A better option would be a client app that parses an instance's mod log and restores and highlights moderated comments.
Censorship might be necessary on today's platforms, but it is still an evil. Censors need to be closely monitored by the community.
I think some Fediverse mods are more extreme and biased than their equivalent on Reddit.
For example, criticizing the anti-men stance (as in: nothing to do with feminism) promoted by jlai.lu admins for example got me my ban. My first ever ban despite being very active on Reddit for 10 years prior to migrating to Lemmy.
Smaller communities do feel like an echo chamber as a consequence.
PS: sh.itjust.works admins do look fine though!