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[–] growsomethinggood@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Then simple question, why not use First Gentleman? Kamala Harris' husband was Second Gentleman and would have been first if she had won.

You're speaking with a lot of confidence about the validity of the feelings of a group of people who, I'm guessing, you are not apart of.

[–] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because those terms will not aggravate trump. The intent is to aggravate trump not denigrate femininity. Focus ffs. This isn’t about insulting trans people or women, it’s about fighting back on someone who is trying to hurt them. We will struggle to maintain allies if we cannot focus on the speakers intent and not a willing misinterpretation of their words.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I mean, I understand all that too, but if you have to give that explanation within hours of using the phrase, isn't it maybe an indication that this is a very real risk:

Something to keep in mind so we don’t friendly-fire on our allies!

Also:

The only ones who benefit when you misinterpret things in a way that implies unintended and unsubstantiated bigotry, are those who can use it to reinforce their claims of a misguidedly hypersensitive left, and thereby undermine justified recognition of intended and substantiated bigotry.

I hate to say it, but I don't see much difference between relating the position of the right wing in an attempt to silence someone telling you that your turn of phrase was insensitive and actually holding the right wing position yourself. Do with that info what you will, I'm just calling it like I see it.

[–] HarryOru@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

Then simple question, why not use First Gentleman? Kamala Harris' husband was Second Gentleman and would have been first if she had won.

Going by your logic, that would be offensive to me, as a gay man.

But this kind of hypersensitivity, especially when applied regardless of context or intent, is one of the main drivers of the reactionary sentiment that is allowing the right to win elections all over the world. It's one of the reasons why the "free speech" argument has worked so well in their favor.

Currently, the only ones benefitting from this "moral high-ground" stance are fragile little baby egos like Musk and Trump who can rest assured knowing their opposition would never stoop as low as them, while they get to freely spew as much intentionally evil shit as they want.

A society where no one is ever offended by anyone is a utopia. It's as desirable as it is unattainable. I think the best thing we can do at the moment is focus on fighting back, not fighting against each other.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

why not use First Gentleman?

Generally, jokes aren't funny when you convolute them with a distracting term that people don't know.

Kamala Harris' husband was Second Gentleman and would have been first if she had won

This is probably the second time I've read that term in 4 years. Still had to think about what it meant. I am getting the impression you don't make a lot of jokes or find them as vital as I do. I say that because I wrote several paragraphs about jokes, why they are important, and why I think it's bad if people stop making them. At no point did you respond to a word of that, and here I see you prioritizing "being PC" over a joke landing at all.

Then simple question, why not use First Gentleman?

Because we've never actually had a First Gentleman, so the term isn't familiar. This is a scenario where strict accuracy muddles the rhetoric beyond recognition, which defeats the purpose.

You're speaking with a lot of confidence about the validity of the feelings of a group of people

When did I say anything about the validity of anyone's feelings?

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Because nobody knows what those are.