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I hate how we allowed these ghouls to make the word "nonstick" synonymous with teflon/PFAS. It makes it sound like if you use a regular pan, you constantly have to scrape off burnt food or something. That's just not true, a well-seasoned regular pan can be just as "nonstick" as one with a PFAS coating. It's a fake non-problem that was invented to sell this garbage that poisons us and the environment. If it was up to me, the executives at dupont and anyone else responsible for this psyop would be sent off to labor camps (with humane working conditions of course)
And you don't even have to use a cast iron. I've been cooking on stainless steel for a decade. I chuck it in the dishwasher when I'm done.
And as long as it's oiled and hot, nothing sticks; not even eggs or fish. Especially if you use butter. But oil's just fine.
"And as long as it's oiled and hot, nothing sticks; not even eggs or fish. Especially if you use butter. But oil's just fine"
My wife the pot and pan murderer would like a word.
what oil do you use for steel? I find that if I have to make steel hot enough for it to be non-stick, as soon as I put oil on it it starts smoking if it is plant oil or burning if it is fat.
Whatever I have on hand or fit's the dish.
Mostly rapeseed oil, sometimes olive oil. When I first started (before I was able to just guess), I put a drop of water in the pan. As soon as the water started to boil, I added the oil and was ready to go.
Nothing stuck for quite a while. But if it did, sometimes it was enough to wait a bit for everything to release by itself.
Aside from that: butter. Butter does some magic.
doesn't the oil burn when you put it on a very hot steel pan or do you have a trick? I guess rapeseed oil burning point is higher but if I put butter on a very hot pan it immediately turns brown and then burns in a matter of seconds.
Maybe you're just getting the pan too hot? I know that sounds silly but it might be as simple as turning the heat down some and cooking whatever for a little longer.
Or at least that's like my cardinal cooking sin, I'm always getting the pan too hot and burning shit unless I'm very careful to think about it.
but you are supposed to heat the steel pans until water kind of jumps in it (to make it nonstick) and that much heat generally already burns the oil I am using...
And if you heat any oil too much it starts producing carcinogenes. Butter is especially prone to do that even in relatively lower heat if it's not ghee. So it becomes toxic in a similar way as teflon is.
Can't really cook this way oil-free though. I roast my food in a toaster oven, on a parchment paper-lined baking sheet. Took some getting used to, but I find it more convenient too.
Heart disease and diabetes are very prevalent in my family, so I generally try to keep my diet in the direction of the Esselstyn guidelines. I'm currently not entirely strict about it, it's a work in progress.
Admittedly the science of added oil vs no oil is very much an open question still, and much more studies need to be done to see if Esselstyn's relatively extreme restrictions truly make a real difference. Still, it's a safe diet, it's designed by heart specialist specifically for treating heart disease, and from what I've seen it appears to be the most promising option out there. Also, if it ever does become proven that atherosclerosis can be reversed - particularly through lifestyle interventions - I think that's really cool and exciting.
As a sidenote, for general populations, Harvard currently has the strongest evidence supporting the idea that a little oil is fine, as long as you're choosing the right ones.
I'm sorry that is something that you have to deal with while cooking.
I'm glad that you have a plan and stuff to mitigate it.
Thanks, but I wouldn't say it's something unique to me. If you look at the top 10-15 causes of death, Heart disease is generally number one. On top of that, many of the other top causes are diet-related diseases as well. In other words, diet is arguably the number one cause of death and disease in industrialized nations. I just think it's sad that so many people suffer their whole lives and die prematurely from causes that are so very preventable.
You might actually not be better off with parchment paper, it is nonadhesive thanks to fluorinated compounds (PFAS) or silicone in most cases
This is what I get:
https://ifyoucare.com/baking/p/parchment-baking-paper
Good to hear, those are silicone based as far as I know. Not totally risk free but much much better than the alternatives.
Issues with food sticking to either a stainless, carbon steel, or cast iron pan, largely come down to technique and maintenance.
So if you’re going out to buy a teflon pan you’re admitting that either you’re a bad cook, or you’re lazy…. Or both.
If it was up to me, I would make it legal to ship them off to North Korea.