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Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump
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You're stupid if you're unhappy with the status quo. You're stupid if you have a problem with genocide. You're stupid if you can't afford groceries! Can't you see that billionaires are doing just fine? You're stupid if you notice that the party abandoned you and still demands unearned perfect fealty no matter what they do.
Anyone who disagrees with the republican-adjacent wing of the party has to be stupid because otherwise we might have to listen to them. And we'll never do that. They're stupid and we hate them.
Did you vote for Kamala? Then you're not stupid. You did what you could, now we have to do more.
I disagree with the "voters are stupid" rhetoric because those people tend to ignore the Democrats' responsibility in their own loss, but if you read further, that's not what this person was doing.
I sure feel stupid for doing so. Voted in favor of a pro-genocide candidate, got blamed for her loss because I griped.
It sure looks like they were arguing for further appeasement of the right because everyone who disagrees with them is stupid.
Their central criticism is that people are lulled into more right-leaning positions by right-wing propaganda, which is true: the right wing has bought basically all media. Everybody takes marching orders.
So, people are stupid, but this is a deliberate move: stupidity benefits the right.
If by "appeasement of the right" you mean "accepting of the genocide," I will fault no person for caring about what's happening over there. If the democrats wanted to win, they should have let go of their psychotic, white-knuckle grip on the Israel military fund. It doesn't surprise me at all that this severely weakened their bid for the presidency.
That said, I can't say we're in a better position now with Trump. My hope for the people of Gaza now is either maga incompetence, or that Trump and Netanyahu make some kind of fascist quid-pro-quo deal not unlike the "Trump saves TikTok" publicity stunt.
And adopting republican border policy, running anti-trans hate in their own ads, courting the endorsement of Dick Cheney, promising to appoint a republican to the cabinet, and yes, continuing to sell arms for genocide.
Agreed.
Of course we're not. But this is what Democrats preferred to listening to anyone on the left flank of their own party.
Nah. Not what I said. You can be concerned with these things as I am but still find the choice to vote for Harris very easy.
You may be ignorant if you believe grocery prices were in the control of Biden / Harris, especially in the wake of a divided Congress. Even so, the choice to vote for Harris should've been incredibly easy.
Yes, the rich are the problem. I agree. Still should've been easy to vote for Harris as opposed to not vote, vote 3rd party, or vote Trump.
All this skirts the underlying point: for anyone who supposedly saw what Harris and Trump were selling and found the choice difficult — even in spite of all those aforementioned factors — then you’re kind of a ~~moron~~ ignorant. Ethically; logically… Zero sense. I'll rephrase because at least ignorance suggests one can change.
If you're a monster who is just fine with genocide, sure.
I voted like you wanted. I hate both of us for it.
Well since you voted for Harris, I guess you're not whom I'm speaking to, now, are you? Why then are you making this about you?
I voted for her. I did not find it easy. Anyone who did find it easy after the genocide support is a fucking psychopath.
Moreover:
Why was this not easy for you? It was CAKE for me, and I care about Gazans, too. There was no magical fairy-tale alternative candidate; this was a binary election. It seemed quite obvious that Harris resented Bibi and the actions of Palestine — but was between a rock and a hard place.
This made all the more obvious by Musk dumping over $70 million in ads into Pennsylvania alone, targeting both Jewish and Muslim communities with literally opposite attack messages on Harris. If that doesn't hint to the dilemma Harris was in in trying to win this election because of the fucked up Electoral College, then I don't know what to tell you.
Because I'm not the sort of psycho that wants to give genocide support a mandate.
It did not. At all. At any point.
I see you dodged ~99% of my comment and a plethora of serious issues. This should be an introspective warning-sign for your own cognitive dissonance.
Please then admit that you don't care about:
Then I'll just repeat what was deflected so that it is clear now:
This made all the more obvious by Musk dumping over $70 million in ads into Pennsylvania alone, targeting both Jewish and Muslim communities with literally opposite attack messages on Harris. If that doesn't hint to the dilemma Harris was in in trying to win this election because of the fucked up Electoral College, then I don't know what to tell you except to say you are as complicit in the Ukrainian genocide as you claim Harris is with Gaza.
No, I do. It's why I voted for Harris. Despite how reprehensible I find her unwavering support for genocide.
So like I said, she was second worst on the issue of genocide. That does not make genocide support conscionable to people for whom it already was unconscionable.
We should have taken every weapon and ever filthy cent we sent to Netanyahu and instead sent it to Ukraine. And then doubled it.
Fuck your genocide.
Well, this is probably closest we'll see eye-to-eye on this so I'll leave it here. Our paths appear to diverge in terms of the political strategy in order to win against the right-wing propaganda machine and ensuring the worst genocider got in power. I don't think Harris wanted to be associated with Genocide and I don't think she holds any love for Netanyahu. But hey, I appreciate you voting for Harris and acknowledging that Trump is worse. Those two things are very important to me.
I saw no indicator of anything but mindless devotion.
Yes, the Netanyahu wing of the party got my vote.
The compliance of people to your left is more important to you than beating fascism.
lol get out.
I cared enough to defeat fascism that I didn't undermine an imperfect alternative candidate that wasn't my ideal preference in order defeat said fascism. If only more came to the same logical, ethical conclusion.
Like you said: Harris was better in every way.
Netanyahu couldn't run in a US election, so you voted for your second preference.
I did not say that.
Oh? And do tell me on which issue Trump is better or the same for you as Harris? After all, you already said Harris was better for Palestinians than Trump.
Evidently better enough to have voted for her, so that's where it counts.
She was second worst to trump. Better implies either of them rose to the level of good. Neither of them cleared horrific.
Comparative logic dictates second worst is first better.
Ok. She was the better genocide supporter. I'd ask if you were happy, but I'm not literally netanyahu, so you're not.
Haha, what's with the strawman? Where did I say I liked Bibi? He's a war criminal and the direct perpetrator of said Genocide and I would've come down hard on Harris following the election just the same to break away. He and Putin can share a jail cell at the Hague.
I am glad we cleared up and agree on the fact that Harris was better than Trump in every conceivable way, no matter how marginally.
It's after the election now and you're still carrying water for her.
Wait, is Harris president!?
Right back at you: Harris isn't even President, and you're still slinging mud at her.
This:
Does not require a win.
Yeah. I never said I would stop. She's already been floated in at least one article as a potential candidate for 2028. I don't want her being the candidate then, either.
Good lord, my dude lol. If you couldn't infer what was meant from that but simultaneously exclaim I wish you were Bibi or some bullshit strawman (and then deflecting when challenged), I'm not sure I can take you seriously anymore.
And I never said I'd stop "carrying water" for Harris relative to the larger threat; the proverbial GOP elephant in the room.
Dude, upthread you accused me of supporting genocide in Ukraine.
Welp, she lost to them. Wanna give her a chance to do it again?
I simply wanted to clarify your position on Ukraine since you initially dodged. I am comforted that you recognize Putin's attempted genocide in Ukraine and that Trump is significantly worse for Ukrainian lives.
If you're asking me whether I'd prefer her to be the Democratic nominee, no. If you're asking me whether I'd vote for her again over a Trump re-run or some other fascist Republican like Vance, then yes, absolutely.
And here's where you confirm that you've been engaging in bad faith the entire time. Goodbye.
Confirmed how?
I said goodbye.
Alrighty then, goodbye.