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[–] applemao@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Question on this, how would you expect the millions of people that heat/cool their homes to get by? Or are you advocating for a return to caves ? Unless you're saying shut those down to build nuclear/solar/wind, which also takes a lot of dirty manufacturing to build. It's kind of a no-win with this many humans.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Bio gas is a lot better than coal and fossil oil for the mean time. But long term basically the whole world should be using heatpumps for heating and cooling, they are incredibly efficient and outperform any other system on every metric. Especially because electricity will become dirt cheap in a few years/decades.

The only reason they arent installed in every house yet is the fossil fuel lobby and their bought politicians, but even they are slowly realizing that its the inevitable solution.

which also takes a lot of dirty manufacturing to build

Solar compensates its production+installation footprint in around a year see here for the relevant numbers from the US National Renewable Energy Laboratory

Wind power plants compensate theirs in a matter of a few months. See this part of Climate Towns latest video analyzing the typical propaganda that made you falsely believe that https://youtu.be/wBC_bug5DIQ?t=185

Nuclear is obviously stupid and does indeed cost way too much and take way too much effort for how bad of a deal you get out of it when its done.

[–] Hi_May@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I for one would love to live in this world where electricity becomes dirt cheap, as my rates have only ever gone up, usually in the name of installing more renewables, now don’t get me wrong I’m not against installing renewables but let’s not pretend it will necessarily make power cheaper for the end user

It will. Consumer electricity prices are completely artificially inflated. No matter how corrupt the the system is, eventually the prices will be pushed down because there is such an over abundance of energy output. Already we are seeing exchange prices regularily going into the negative.

We might ofcourse dump all that excess into garbage like AI training.