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[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev -1 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Ok but plants are also living beings so you should not eat them by your rule.

[–] Paper_Phrog@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This is a common philosophical counter question I hear. While completely valid in its core, it distracts from the real problem. Have you considered the fact that we need food to survive? I'd rather choose the food (based on current research that plants don't feel pain as animala do) that seems to cause the least harm.

Meat or animal products of any kind don't fulfill that criterium.

Then we have the fact that it contributes negatively to our planet and the production takes a huge toll on both plants AND humans alike. It simply isn't efficient in any way.

So this really isn't an argument worth discussing.

If you consider all this, there's really only one logical choice based on the morals we decide on as a society. Which is currently seriously hypocritical.

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 1 points 4 hours ago

I'm not making a larger claim here, I'm just asking the vegetarians to explain the logic of their belief.

It sounds like now you're saying that you want to reduce pain rather than the killing of intelligent/conscious life.

In that case would you be OK with slaughterhouses if they treated the animals humanely and killed them as quickly as possible before they could feel significant pain?

[–] desinetizen@lemm.ee 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Plants don't have any consciousness at all.

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Did you read the comment I replied to?

For me there's no morals tied to the level of consciousness. That allows for cherry picking.

[–] desinetizen@lemm.ee 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

They're talking about level of consciousness when it's established that the entity in question has any consciousness at all. It doesn't mean considering those with no consciousness, like plants or rocks. (I don't agree with it though, levels are worth considering.)