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Example: I believe that IP is a direct contradiction of nature, sacrificing the advancement of humanity and the world for selfish gain, and therefore is sinful.

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Edit2: IP= intellectal property

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 3 points 15 minutes ago

Death penalty is wrong. Also vengeance prison is wrong, VERY unpopular opinions. I can't tell you how many people will full on yell at you if you say this in public. I think rehab prison is what should happen for any prisoner that isn't in for murder one or rape, domestic abuse. Financial crimes? House arrest, monitored assets, no access to exploitable systems. Property crime? Make sure they have a legitimate job, parole, house arrest if serious, garnished wages. We could have the vast majority of prisoners on parole or house arrest and in treatment, or jobs programs and out prison population would be at a normal percentage compared to the rest of the world.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 minutes ago

Nazis are bad, even if they are Ukrainian, and highly self motivated in conscripting others to diminish Russia. The morality of diminishing others apparently has a Russian exception.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 3 points 48 minutes ago

I was going to say "Copyright is theft" but I see that's basically OPs take, so I'll settle for 'same'.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 points 19 minutes ago

People should be jailed for violating a DNR order.

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 19 points 2 hours ago (4 children)
  • The illusion that we are "rational" has done more damage than good, and if we were to just embrace that emotions are not just real, but a stronger influence on people's behaviour (and therefore reality) than any facts, we might start getting somewhere as a species.
[–] Rednax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

But understanding, predicting, and reacting differently on emotions are all learnable, and very rational.

For example: don't punch the TV when you are angry about loosing a game. Instead realise where the anger is coming from. Probably frustration, but why are you so frustrated when you loose? Some frustration is understandable, but what causes so much frustration that it turned into violent anger? And can you predict what actions or circumsfamces may result in that frustration or and anger (e.g. alcohol consumption)?

The most rational fictional species I know, Vulcans, do not lack emotion. Quite the opposite. But they have learned to control their emotions.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 47 minutes ago* (last edited 44 minutes ago) (1 children)

Rationale is just as often, if not more so, as emotions to commit atrocities. It takes a great deal of rationale and emotional disregard to dehumanize people, and the "high horse of rationality" and "predicting models" is often required to cause things like the holocaust or to rationalize the genocide in Gaza ("Killing children is wrong, BUT....") No emotion required, in fact, rationalizing against emotion is the requirement.

[–] Rednax@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 7 minutes ago) (1 children)

The "rationale" behind such atrocities is always based on emotion, not actual reason. Usually fear. Analyzing why you feel that fear, and whether it is justified, will help to avoid falling into such logical fallacies.

Ignoring the fear, and dismissing it as illogical will not help anyone. You have to acknowledge the emotion, and analyse it. Allow it to exist, but avoid acting on it before analyzing it.

In fact, acting on emotions, especially on fear, will often result in such atrocities. Since it is fear, not reason, that eliminates compassion.

Ps. I like the discourse. Please don't see my comments as a personal attack. Even if neither of us changes their oppinion, understanding the other is valuable.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 minutes ago

I have two mantras that come to mind when this conversation comes up.

  1. "Let your front door and back door open to your thoughts and feelings, just don't serve them tea."

  2. "What a liberation it is to realize that my thoughts and feelings aren't who I am. Who am I then? The one that realizes it."

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I wish there was a third option to knock down things that aren't actually controversial. In threads like this an upvote and a downvote are both an upvote.

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[–] Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 40 minutes ago

As a rapper, I totally agree. I'll go with: decentralized community defense would be far more effective than the police. And, you know. Wouldn't be them.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

Broadly speaking, I'm a Pacifist and believe any kind of military confrontation or military aid is bad public policy. The idea of collateral damage - civilian casualties taken in pursuit of military objectives - is fully immoral and should be broadly rejected. Military resources should be tasked first and foremost as disaster relief and recovery with the primary mission being the preservation of human life, rather than offensive missions to defeat or deter an opposition military.

Military reprisals (starting with the MAD policy and going down to retributive strikes in border disputes) are monstrous and should be ended. Military prisons should be closed and POWs immediately repatriated. Embargos, particularly those aimed at economically vulnerable nations like Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea, serve no useful purpose and should be lifted immediately. And the only offensive military action should be reserved for securing evacuation routes for refugees, with the bulk of resources dedicated to extending shelter and both immediate and long term relief to the refugees we accrue through these policies.

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[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 25 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Circumcision is multilation

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