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Just want to point out this is what furniture in the Vatican looked like before Pope Francis
And then after Pope Francis
If anyone really cares, that's because Pope Francis was from the Jesuit Order. The first pope to be one. They swear poverty among other things, so the golden chair wouldn't look appropriate.
Also South American Catholics are a bit more hardcore about the poverty and activism stuff. I don’t think Francis was necessarily full on “liberation theology,” but I can’t imagine probably knowing priests who got “free helicopter rides” for standing up for poor and indigenous people probably does impact how you think.
Don't worry though they kept it in good shape in storage.
Damn, dude really wrecked the Vatican's economy!
Yeah, as far as popes go he was pretty chill
Still needed a way to finance a billion dollar corporation with tens of thousands of prime real estate all over the world managed by a legion of professional clergy all managed by a central office that is it's own country at the center of one of the most expensive cities in the world ..... all while spreading the message of piety, peace and being humble.
As much as everyone likes to glorify catholic leaders, they're still a mafia force that is based on money and wealth and Christian faith last
For sure, but as long as the mafia exists (which looks like it's going to be for a good long while still) I want it to have the leader who will do the most good possible, even if it's still a net negative. There are those out there who would use the resources to do a lot of harm.
Always love how Christians can justify anything for their religion ... no matter what it does.
I love legend of the Judas sects ... believers that honour the memory of the traitor Judas Iscariot .... their belief is based on the idea that in order for the good to complete their earthly work, they need to fight and defeat 'the bad' .. and in order for that to happen, someone has to play the part of 'the bad' ... so followers of Judas sects believe that 'the bad' has to exist in order for 'the good' to complete their work. 'The bad' sacrifice themselves to eternal damnation in order give 'the good' the chance to get into heaven.
All done under the watchful eye of an eternal all powerful being that can control time, matter and substance and has already predetermined everything and everyone in the universe.
This is reminding me of one of my uncles who has become so radicalized by both Christofascist propaganda, and stuff he reads online, that he believes the world is in a "Kaliyug" Hindu term for the final stage of civilizaiton cycle, defined by violence, crime and immorality.
he believes that now, everything is boiled down to "you're either a good person, or you're just a criminal" there is no in between.
and if you're a criminal, he basically beleives you need to be killed. for the good of society.
*Got sick and couldnt see a doctor for 7 hours? The doctors are just corrupt criminals
Your work didnt take enough income tax from you and you owe $1000 ? Well your employers are just corrupt criminals.
Chocolate Milk is $11 a jug? the Grocers are just corrupt criminals.
Russia invaded Ukraine? Oh this is just Putins plan to rid the world of Criminals, both sides emptied their prisons and anyone who wants to fight / defend their home, they're just a violent person who needs to be removed from society anyway.*
Every one of these is opinions I've heard him express recentley.
I want to add, this Lunatic lives in the same building as me now. I've never had a better advocate for being agnostic / atheist / irreligious in my life. that door is permanetley slammed shut. Hail spaghetti monster.
Interesting. If I didn’t know better—this Judas sect sounds like it could be a Taoist offshoot! Similar philosophy about the world giving body to both “bad” and “good” and sometimes “bad” can make “good” come to fruition.
Neat I’ll look up more about them thanks.
So this isn't a christian thing, it's reality. Bad exists, usually called suffering. It is called a universal truth in buddhist tradition, and in Christian tradition Jesus was born conceptually from the suffering.
It is the suffering that makes one kind enough to want to cease all suffering, not just their own. It is why the rich cannot enter heaven, they proliferate through the suffering of others while reducing their own solely.
So suffering is the natural existance of things, but humans themselves want to conceive something without it. Rather than plainly embracing the suffering. In embracing, you can choose for what you suffer, why you suffer, and what can truly torment you.
Then again, most people see the story of human suffering as solely this one or the other. Most religions are just artistic interpretation of uncontrollable forces and conceptual enitities rather than literal.
Every ancient god is seen as this but for some reason, onlookers believe it is literal about christianity. Even when Jesus himself denounced being child of god, but child of man. It is the state of civilization, the conciousness of humanity, that creates such things.
If you name your children Jesus, if you speak of a second coming, if you preach about love and compassion. I will be reborn, through the same means korean and hindu mysticism ascends humans into avatars.
Just FYI, I'm an atheist who's against organized religion. This pope was still much better than most, in that he tried to help poor people at least, and he was accepting of most other people, even if he didn't necessarily agree with them.
A leader like him mitigates harm that would be done under someone else. It doesn't mean I like him. I just prefer him (or someone like him) to other options. It isn't an excuse. It's just the best option, not that any of us get a choice. Not even Catholic followers do.
What did he do exactly to help the poor that other popes didn't?
He didn't do anything that other didn't. As a Catholic with connections in the Church I can tell you there are more gays in the Church (priests) that I have met outside of it so they are very tolerant of it, the problem is some of them do have sex (between them too)
Pope Francisco was a pope of words not actions.
If Jesus was the son of God (and God Himself) and He was sent to the Earth to fullfil the law and He was going to be betrayed and executed then Judas was doing God's plan, and he was a very impotent part of the plan.
God knew Judas would betray Jesus and knew it was important that he did because without the betrayal there is no resurrection.
Point being Judas wasn't the bad, at no point he was the bad guy and he was so confused, broken by what he did that he killed himself. A merciful God would have him be in Heaven because he fulfilled his mission not knowing that it was his mission and suffering immensely for it.
Weirdest excuse ever.
They are a mafia but at least they’re not raping kids, right?
It's not an excuse. Where did I excuse anything? I just said having someone who will reduce the harm done by the church is better than someone who will increase it. Do you disagree?
Finally gets to visit the pope; does't get to fuck the fancy chairs. 😔
Both chairs are still in the Vatican. It's like when people talked about Bezos driving his old car.
I wonder what the next Pope's chair will look like
I hope they sold the old chair and used the money for the poor, but they probably just tucked it in the attic