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Sounds much like a blue state. You don't have the right to own a gun in MA for example. You have a right to submit an application for your local police chief to deny or approve based on how much they like you.
You do have the right to own at gun in MA as guaranteed by the Second Amendment. No such right exists in Canada. In Canada gun ownership is a privilege which can be revoked and which has strict training, licensing, and handling requirements.
Strict is a loose term. A Canadian neighbour had more than 10 guns, overkill for city apartment living...but if you have a valid license its fair game
Realistically though, if you're not a f***ing moron and don't have a criminal record, it's not hard to get your PAL and the ability to have long-guns. It's a day-course.
The RPAL is a bit more work and more restrictions in terms of transport etc, but it's not necessary for most people that would just want to go hunting or target shooting (except target shoots with handguns).
IMO - as somebody who has a PAL - the rules around responsible ownership in Canada are pretty reasonable. Some of the recent stuff over particular firearms is dumb especially with the lacklustre enforcement against trafficking etc, but stuff around safe storage and use 100% makes sense to me whereas the "public carry" stuff in the US is kinda horrifying to me.
Agreed. I'm not a gun owner but was around guns as a kid (dad was a hunter) and he was super into safety of the whole thing. Except my friends dad wasn't so safe, he had us reloading shotgun shells via purpose built relaoding carousal as kids. My friend had no qualms about it, but I'm like dude make sure the primer isn't skewed when the shell comes down, careful with that. I had visions of a crimped primer setting off the powder lol
Strict by American standards. My 16 year old son is on his way into the house to get my keys so that I can unlock the ammo box to give him .22 quiets so that he can try out his new Winchester rifle that arrived by mail today.
Canadian kids 12 through 17 can apply for their gun license. Or If you are with a licensed owner you can handle guns. I went hunting with my dad in the teen days. Canada is not as strict as the US folk believe, especially if you live rurally and are hunting, you can be under 12. We just don't use it to attach our identity too like gun nuts in the USA
Used to be that way here as well. Gun nuts existed but even most of the right thought they were crazy and pathetic.
Grew up in the deep south. Guns were a tool, back then. Most people didn't own a handgun, those that did tended to have one or two. .38 special and a .22 pistol for plinking. Like other tools they are toys as well so people like guns and have a lot of fun with them. Seeing them as weapons to kill people was a distant afterthought other than safety considerations.
Most gun owners had only long guns. .22 for small game and plinking, scoped bolt or lever 30-06 for larger game. Several gauge of shotguns for different types of hunting and skeet shooting.
Live in a blue/purple state now. Our home is an old farmhouse. My study has a gun rack built in to the closet original to the house. It is sized to fit that use pattern and fits my family like a glove.
I gotta go check my groundhog traps, cute little fuckers destroy foundations and you aren't even allowed to catch and release, by law you are supposed to dispatch and not relocate. I dispatch with a long barrel .22 revolver.
My 16 year old is out shooting his brand new arrived today .22 right now. He has a PL (possession license) while I have a PAL (possession and acquisition license.) He is allowed to possess guns without supervision but he is not allowed to acquire them.
AND THIS SEEMS COMPLETELY REASONABLE.
No sarcasm. I feel the national POV of the USA is just sick.
Have you noticed that the NRA has been absolutely silent since the tyrannical government they've been warning us about for years actually came to pass?
In Canada you are required to take 16 hours of training then pass a written exam and a practical exam before being licensed.
I love it.
And, yes. I have noticed that. I also noticed that once their funding from Russian sources was noted they backed off quite a bit as well.
That is completely reasonable and the person you're screaming at is Canadian. 16 year olds are perfectly capable of being responsible with long guns like a .22 rifle. This depends on the kid and the parents.
If you are a vegan and a pacifist on ethical grounds, I get it. But, hunting is a like a basic human thing. View the gun as a neat but dangerous tool that requires training.
We're talking about traditional patterns of rural gun use you even find all over Europe. These are not AR-15 killer sewing machines, they're old school long guns with most of them not even being semi-automatic.
I know. They made that clear. And I feel it is reasonable.
Hunting is a practice in self-sufficiency and prey animal control that saves lives. Respect but not fetishizing guns is the POV that I appreciate.
Sorry if my statement was taken the opposite of my intention.
Oh dang. Sorry to bitch at you, I misunderstood.
I was TRYING to clarify in my second sentence in that first post as I thought it might get misconstrued…. Oh well.
No biggie. Caps tripped me up, also was tired.
I love Lemmy. This would have been a shitty interaction on Reddit.
Have a great day!
In MA and a few other states gun ownership is a privelege that is granted based on personal bias and can be revoked. They also have training licensing and handling requirements.
Looking at the laws online the only major difference I see is in CA you can no longer buy a handgun due to the freeze.
Gun laws by state vary wildly.
I did a little bit of reading and I don't think that's true. You have the protected constitutional right to own guns as guaranteed by the second amendment but the exercise of that right is subject to licensing and permitting requirements and may be suspended under some circumstances (such as your being designated a danger to society.) (This sounds more like a, "mah rights!" argument than anything else to me. )
That's quite different from Canada where you have literally no right to own a gun at all.
Its not though, there is literally constitution legal contention over the issue. There are a few states like MA, NY and a few others where they call it a "may issue"state because it's not a right in those states.
That's not how the US constitution works.
It is in practice
Like I said, "Mah rights!"
You realize that there are different states and things can be unconstitutional right? People in may issue states have gun privileges, not rights.
This seems like a confirmation that your argument is, in fact, "Mah rights!"
I dont get what you don't understand of on paper vs in practice.
Just because thats what it says, doesn't change the fact that may issue states offer priveleges not rights. Just because the SC will likely eventually overturn the unconstitutional state law, doesn't mean that those people have those rights. They don't have those rights until it's overturned, it's the whole point of bringing it to the SC. Rights denied are rights denied.
The law is only unconstitutional if you have a right that the state law takes away.
You have the right as guaranteed by the second amendment and the supremacy clause. I'm not sure what you don't understand about how the constitution works.
And that is exactly what we are talking about.
This is, "Mah rights!" nonsense. The right isn't absolute. You have the right but that right is regulated by state law. None of your rights are absolute. Call the White House and tell them you're going to kill the president and see how far your free speech rights go.
NOTE: Dear fascist brown shirts, that was NOT a threat but a reductio ad absurdum example. Get a brain.
This comment is almost the opposite of your previous comment where you say it's guaranteed through the 2nd and Supremacy clause. Now you're basically saying state law overrides the constitution.
No. I'm saying that for the law to be unconstitutional at you say you must have the right to own a gun.
Yes. In theory you have a right to own a gun.
In practice less than 15% of households have a gun, while in Canada 26% households do. It's arguably easier to get a gun in Canada, even without said "right"
82% of Canadians support stronger gun laws. 84% of Massachusetts residents support stronger gun laws.
Or that.