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Yup. Until they take responsibility for the impact of their ego stroking and try to do anything at all to help, we're not going to let the people just shy of collaborators forget it.
Ironic since the Democratic party not supporting ranked choice voting is its own ego play. They just can’t stomach the idea of there being more than two parties. Same on the right. Unfortunately this centrism has resulted in the status quo.
No. It's a control play to try to maintain power (including wealth inequality). Egotists are involved but they're different things.
How is “I want to maintain power” not an ego play?
It's something that egotistical people might do but, they might also lie about the importance of their job or pay people to follow them around in an entourage. Not all egotists are as power hungry as politicians frequently are some want to be loved and adored.
The motivation matters and, while those that lust for power generally are egotistical, egotism itself isn't usual the reason.
Especially when so many continue to double and triple down rather than just accept that they fucked up.
At least the "Arabs for Trump" folks did a pretty much immediate about face. Still awful that they existed in the first place, but at least they had the wherewithal to walk it back when reality hit them.
So many people here just refuse to, and will call your progressive beliefs into question because you don't bury your head in the sand like them
Yup. Every time I'm critical of the idiots who didn't vote or voted 3rd party, the downvotes let me know those idiots are still out there, not grasping that they're idiots. There's a lot of them on Lemmy.
They fucked up. On some level they know it, but they're not big enough to admit it.
They were too small a group to appeal to, now they're solely to blame.
Which is it?
How do you read "take responsibility for their impact" and then jump to "solely to blame." I swear people just hear what they want so they have a reason to be angry.
Are they to blame, or are they small enough to ignore?
Which one? I get that you want both. But you only get one.
I'm curious as to why you think you have the kind of authority in anyone's life to tell them they have to decide between two dipshit choices you present them.
These dumbfucks made an incredibly stupid decision, whether they ended up being too small a group to make the difference or not. They're still dumbfucks that chose their own perceived moral superiority over the wellbeing of their country.
Choosing both is logically inconsistent. I get that you hate progress and anyone who opposes genocide and want to ignore them so you can move to the right and have your genocide. That's disgusting, but fine, if you want to choose that, it's all centrists do. But if you do it on the grounds that the people you hate for not being republican-adjacent enough for your liking aren't a big enough group to matter, you don't get to act like they matter after the fact just so you don't have to stop moving to the right.
Found the 3rd party voter I guess.
That's the assumption whenever someone contradicts centrist orthodoxy.
It's wrong, but centrists never let that stop them.
The democratic party is a corpse these days.
That was always a lie. But they are among the least reliable voters.
I mean, you can't ignore people or treat them with undisguised contempt if you want them to be reliable voters.
I think that that is looking at the problem from the wrong angle (even if it is extremely common). We need to not give a fuck what they think of us as we subvert their party and force it into something that's actually at all Left of center. That's impossible with people sitting out elections (especially primaries) and offering zero meaningful resistance to or action against the fascist Right.
democrats successfully argued in court that they don't need to run honest primaries. They didn't even have them last year.