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Not to say that he isn’t a great playmaker, but just because he averages 10 assists and makes some unnecessarily fancy passes from time to time does not at all justify him as having one of the highest offensive peaks ever.

10apg is good but nothing crazy especially when he’s the primary playmaker of the team to begin with. There are plenty of PGs in the league who can do that.

He also averaged 4 turnovers per game last season which is pretty sloppy but everyone seems to ignore this.

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[–] RipCity-NBA-LoL@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ik this is bait, but I wanna address the only real concern in the post: turnovers. Just from the statsheet, he had 9.8 assists to 3.6 turnovers, or a 2.72assist:turnover ratio. On its face, this is a decent, not great ratio. The detail missing from this compared to pure point guards is post-ups.

Pure PGs initiate an offense with PnR or other similar plays from the 3pt area. From this play, turnovers are usually related to uncalled fouls, good defense, loss of control, or a bad pass. Outside some uncalled on-ball fouls during a PG's attack, these are legitimate turnovers.

The difference for Jokic is that at least once a game, he's getting a "turnover" on a post-up where the defender(s) are just slapping the shit out of him and grabbing his arms or reaching it. This is far from an exclusive problem for Jokic; every post-up player in the league has an amount of turnovers from pressure on the post-up.

The point being for Jokic though is the refs simply cannot call every foul. Especially when it comes to a huge, 7ft, elite player like Jokic, they let the defenders have some leniency with scratches and holds. This is most evident in post-ups.

Jokic is to blame for some of his turnovers here, too, as he sometimes tries to sell contact instead of focusing on maintaining the ball. He essentially turns it over to try to sell the contact that IS happening. If it works, great, but when it doesn't, he turns it over AND often complains to the ref instead of getting back.

That's on him for playing that way. But the league definitely encourages it by they way the games are called.

[–] Ok_Respond7928@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Also a lot of Jokic turnovers come from him trying to make a tight pass to a guy who is in the paint. If it works amazingly that’s an easy layup the best shot in the game. If not that’s a turnover. But I much rather have a guy turn the ball over looking for layups than kicking it out to three and getting picked off that way.

It is why someone like CP3 has been such a assist to turnover king because he doesn’t always look for those high leverage passes.