God let it be Tuesday night already.
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Posts like this make me realize he’s still underrated
Get this man a drug test asap
There are plenty of PGs in the league who can [average 10 apg]
No there aren't. Especially not while averaging a hyper-efficient 25 ppg.
Yeah, only one or two players a year manage 10 assists per game.
even if he was right, he's comparing them to a Center...that helps Jokic.
Also, he's a fucking center, lol.
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To be fair, with his impact, I see no problem in ignoring 4 turnovers per game
Also, turnovers from a ball-dominant guard and from a player in the post are different. They're still turnovers, of course, but they're from different parts of the game and don't happen the same way.
The best playmakers also average a lot of turnovers. Trae, Giannis, Doncic, Westbrook. But point aside, you still have time to delete this idiocy. Unless you’re just that Bucks flair Jokic hater lol
Giannis is not one of the best playmakers.
my guy really tried to sneak Giannis in there
Nope
No, he's my special little baker boy
You should be banned for this
Watch the games.
Idk how to say it, but watch every Jokic game. Nobody is doing what he is doing.
Universal disagreement is rare here, but I think we have found it
Ehh, this is such an obvious bait it's not even interesting
He was under the radar for all these years, and now he's overrated. Right....
lol yes, if you’re a bucks fan, only Giannis is the right answer.
Assists aren’t the only way to measure playmaking.
He consistently manipulates defenses to create openings for people and uses his size and vision to create passing opportunities that simply wouldn’t exist otherwise.
His understanding of defenses and the repertoire of moves he uses to move defenders into the position he wants them to be in is unmatched for someone his size, not even mentioning his hyper-efficient scoring and excellent rebounding and overall positioning. He’s not just making fancy passes dude
congratulations. I think you might have found one of the only takes that the entire sub will be united about, and will all agree on.
Unfortunately the agreement is not WITH you, but against you, but either way. Thanks for bringing peace and unity to this sub, if even for a short minute.
Is Michael Jordan’s scoring ability overrated?
You really woke up with this lazy showerthought this morning?
If there are plenty guys who can do it, why are they not doing it. Only 2 players had more app last season, what happened with rest of them
just because he averages 10 assists and makes some unnecessarily fancy passes from time to time does not at all justify him as having one of the highest offensive peaks ever.
Correct! His unheard of efficiency, impact metrics, and the eye test that aligns with the insane stats are what justify it.
10apg is good but nothing crazy especially when he’s the primary playmaker of the team to begin with. There are plenty of PGs in the league who can do that.
10apg is great actually and not many PG's actually get close to that number. When you say "plenty" that number last year was 3: Harden, Young, and Jokic.
Also, what makes Jokic different is that he's also a big man and what he is doing is something we haven't seen before from a center.
He also averaged 4 turnovers per game last season which is pretty sloppy but everyone seems to ignore this.
You know who else averaged 4 turnovers per game and with a lot less assists? Giannis.
Haliburton also averaged over 10 assists.
No, it's not overrated.
This is the most clueless post ever on /nba. And that says a lot..
"Stay off the weed!" - Steven A. Smith
No
No it isn't
Averages a triple double on the way to a championship is good. But get that down to 3 turnovers a game and then we’ll talk about all time greats.
Dude, just watch the nuggets. This where the eye test matters over everything. They won a chip. What more do you want? Lmao
lol, you are saying like anybody can get 10apg in nba. double digit assist are elite.
secondly, have you not seen this man play?
Holy shit start the season already! How is this a real thread??
If you were aiming for Reddit unity your mission was a successful one. I suggest your next post could be something in the lines of 'Is Steph Curry's shooting overrated? Many players shot 42% from 3'
Ik this is bait, but I wanna address the only real concern in the post: turnovers. Just from the statsheet, he had 9.8 assists to 3.6 turnovers, or a 2.72assist:turnover ratio. On its face, this is a decent, not great ratio. The detail missing from this compared to pure point guards is post-ups.
Pure PGs initiate an offense with PnR or other similar plays from the 3pt area. From this play, turnovers are usually related to uncalled fouls, good defense, loss of control, or a bad pass. Outside some uncalled on-ball fouls during a PG's attack, these are legitimate turnovers.
The difference for Jokic is that at least once a game, he's getting a "turnover" on a post-up where the defender(s) are just slapping the shit out of him and grabbing his arms or reaching it. This is far from an exclusive problem for Jokic; every post-up player in the league has an amount of turnovers from pressure on the post-up.
The point being for Jokic though is the refs simply cannot call every foul. Especially when it comes to a huge, 7ft, elite player like Jokic, they let the defenders have some leniency with scratches and holds. This is most evident in post-ups.
Jokic is to blame for some of his turnovers here, too, as he sometimes tries to sell contact instead of focusing on maintaining the ball. He essentially turns it over to try to sell the contact that IS happening. If it works, great, but when it doesn't, he turns it over AND often complains to the ref instead of getting back.
That's on him for playing that way. But the league definitely encourages it by they way the games are called.
Also a lot of Jokic turnovers come from him trying to make a tight pass to a guy who is in the paint. If it works amazingly that’s an easy layup the best shot in the game. If not that’s a turnover. But I much rather have a guy turn the ball over looking for layups than kicking it out to three and getting picked off that way.
It is why someone like CP3 has been such a assist to turnover king because he doesn’t always look for those high leverage passes.
No. The expected efg% off of his potential Assists was #1 in the league. He gets guys high efficiency shots with his passing at a level that is atop the league.
The Nuggets were scoring 124.4 points per 100 possessions with Jokic on the court and you are talking about APG? Watch the games.
Please do not use only ''per game'' stats and analyze a player... ''per game'' stats is very misleading in a lot of cases. I barely even look at those stats when judging a player.
I know a lot of people had a problem with Michael Malone blasting off about how the nuggets are overlooked and people don’t even really stop and think about how Jokic is doing literally brain breaking stuff like it’s no biggie— but clown takes like this by the media and the casual viewership and nephews like this definitely proves his point.
And I always agreed with MM that depsite the Nuggets regular season achievements, they were absolutely overlooked and continue to be.
If Jokic really cared about statistics, he can get average 30 points and 15 assists per game
"Was Michael Jordan that good of a scorer? I mean, he missed a LOT of shots."
One of the best playmakers and possibly the best passer ever
Lol this has to be satire
Needs to be a nba sub with an age requirement and ID verification
10apg is nothing crazy?
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