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I will never understand how this obvious manipulation has been legal for decades.
The pretense is gone now though, which is fascinating. And scary.
It’s literally just partisan warfare with legal exploitation, and voter bases apparently think it’s justified. I mean, what are they gonna do, side with the other party over it?
when lawmakers break the law and nobody enforces the law, it stops being the law.
And so many things were just 'common sense,' and not enshrined in laws because the thought was that anyone breaking them would be held accountable by the populace. We now have a critical mass of stupid, self absorbed, or malicious people that laws don't matter, much less norms.
We also have mechanisms of communication, propaganda, and control that were beyond imagination 249 years ago.
I mean, a second Trump term means that any "but surely they wouldn't accept somebody who-" is out the window. His two impeachments weren't for affairs or for perjury. They were EACH for betraying the damned country in totally different ways.
Yeah, but "he tells it like it is" /s
They always forget that the laws they pass to punish their enemies or enrich themselves goes both ways.
If they start acting like the law is anything they can get away with without going to jail, then the same can apply to the rest of us.
Laws still apply, just not to the people in power.
centuries*
Federal government won't do anything about it. States control their own elections and therein lies the conundrum. Texas is proving very willingly that it doesn't care about the rules as long as they win.
GOP, not all of Texas.
Won't matter unless the progressives of the state get organized.
And you pretend that the Democrats haven't been doing this since they were the Democratic Republican Party.
The Democrats proposed a bill last congress to ban gerrymandering and every single Republican voted against it.
It was also full of Democrat shenanigans that they knew the Republicans would not vote for, so they tossed in jerrymandering, knowing the bill would never pass to make it look like they were for it.
Without jerrymandering, the Democrats would lose many seats because they'd no longer be able to take large swaths of rural and suburban areas, then make a wonky looking maps to link them to cities to ensure the suburban and rural voters get outvoted by the urban voters. They'd also no longer be able to carve out mostly black districts that they have no chance of ever losing.
Without their jerrymandering, they wouldn't have single party control of Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Rhode Island, and Vermont.
You can't spell "gerrymander" even after replying to people who spelled it correctly.. and even being that wrong, it's the most accurate thing you've written.
Republicans have gerrymandered Utah, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Tennessee, N. Carolina, S. Carolina, Wisconsin, Arkansas, Ohio and Mississippi.
Democrats have gerrymandered New Mexico, Nevada, Illinois, and Oregon.
What's even more hilarious is that you named Vermont as being gerrymandered.. it has ONE congressional district, LOL... ONE! That's some big-brain analysis, my friend.
We've lived in a fascist country for a long time.
Over a century. It all started with the Democratic Republican Party that eventually became the Democratic Party.
It started in 1812. Although the Democratic-Republican party did evolve into the current Democratic party over the course of two centuries, it’s hardly fair to call them the same party. That’s eight generations between then and now and the political landscape has changed dramatically.
As for the “both sides do it” whataboutism, like so many “both sides” issues the current Republican Party benefits far more from gerrymandering than the current Democratic Party, and this is before this especially egregious Texas mid-census redistricting.
It's such a silly and disingenuous argument. The most recent version of gerrymandering arguably began with REDMAP in 2010, which was in response to Obama winning. Before that, it was used almost exclusively to disenfranchise black voters before the voting rights act in 1965. Before that, it was used by both parties in unison to maintain the supremacy of incumbents.
If you think that the Democrats are the only ones to gerrymander until now you're not intelligent enough to be weighing in
They both do it. Democrats are just the ones who invented it, then like everything they do, they cry victim when the Republicans also do it and try to act like they're filled with righteous indignation knowing that they also jerrymander.
The American system adopted it from across the pond. Rotten and pocket burroughs were frequent in the 18th century and actually started getting outlawed in the 19th century right when the Jeffersonian republicans went hard with it.
The Jeffersonian republican/democratic republican is the father of both major parties, it split into the northern republicans (anti- slavery) and southern democrats (mostly pro-slavery).
Neither of those parties resemble the modern parties, which flipped ideologies during the Civil Rights Movement, among their most recent changes.
So, it would be safer to say that American gerrymandering was created by the precursor to both modern parties.
I thought they flipped sides after lbj passed the civil rights act...
It wasn't a single event that flipped the parties, it was a long evolution over time.
And now the Republican Party has made another major evolution, and turned into the MAGA Party. They no longer follow any of the tenets of the Republican Party - smaller government, lower taxes, economic responsibility, family values, etc. - and only follow the MAGA tenets of hatred, bigotry, cruelty, treason, fiscal mismanagement, incompetence, weaponisatuon, and pedophilia.
The Republican Party is as dead as the Whigs, and should only be referred to in a historic, scholarly setting, as the precursor to the MAGA Party. All Democratic politicians should stop saying Republican Party in all media appearances, and only refer to them as the MAGA Party.
Democratic leadership should even hold an official press conference making the announcement that they are unilaterally declaring the Republican Party dead, replaced by the MAGA Party, and then never refer to the Republicans again. Making this fundamental declaration about the Republican Party without consulting them, will likely make them go even crazier. I can already hear them howling like the baboons they are.
Most of those people grew up in the Republican Party, and it is their identity. To kill it, and replace it with a preschool fingerprinting like the MAGA Party will grind up many of them. Many are only MAGAs Of Convenience, and they won't like it at all. I want to see them howl that they are officially sidelined from history, and scream that they are NOT MAGA, they are REPUBLICANS!
There is stress between MAGA and the traditional GOP that they try to hide, and pretend doesn't exist, and this would put tremendous strain on that partnership.