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This consolidation of power is a dream come true for the Big Tech platforms, but it’s a nightmare for users. While the megacorporations get more traffic and a whole lot more user data (read: profit), users are left with far fewer community options and a bland, corporate surveillance machine instead of a vibrant public sphere. The internet we all fell in love with is a diverse and colorful place, full of innovation, connection, and unique opportunities for self-expression. That internet—our internet—is worth defending.

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[–] etherphon@piefed.world 186 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

If I have to verify myself I simply won't use it, I really don't care, there's nothing so important online that I need to prove my identity to see it. (Banking and shit like that aside of course). Social media? Give me a break I'm already over it before all this ID shit. I hope it all burns to the ground.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 50 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

this. I refuse to make more accounts, and verify personal info. Ive been prepping for the big disconnect from the internet as a result. there will come a time when it just won't be usable

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 20 points 3 weeks ago

Tor and i2p say hello. The internet itself will be totally usable. The clear net is what will become unusable.

[–] LuckingFurker@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Same. I know there are easy ways around it but I'm not going to use them, and I wish more people could take this attitude - if everyone cut down their Internet usage in response to this ID stuff things would quickly start to turn around

[–] other_cat@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It would be a big struggle for me but I still agree with you.

[–] LuckingFurker@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The fact that you recognise it would be a struggle should honestly spur you on even more to do it. People got by for a long time without the Internet and even though now the same infrastructure they'd have used is at best a shell of its former self if not gone entirely it would still be possible. We don't have to stop entirely but if a bunch of sites suddenly find their traffic is way down they'd start to put pressure on about getting rid of ID checks and we might finally see some movement

[–] other_cat@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, I know. No preaching required. I'm from pre-internet days. That's why I agree with you. Being this dependent on the internet is not good for me or anyone else.

Yup, the furthest I'd go is entering a birthdate. Depending on the service, I'm anywhere from 21 to 105 years old.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 8 points 3 weeks ago

Same. I hardly use youtube and will pirate anything I want to see.

I am planning on open sourcing phones and computers too.

Silicon valley parasites can do their age verification without me, that is the last straw, I hardly use now anyway.

[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

But what if they put porn behind a id wall.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think porn sites in other countries care about our laws.

[–] hisao@ani.social 11 points 3 weeks ago

More people gonna get their porn from darknet. And discover its wider selection of genres...

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

Gay-torrents is still around. Though they really need to set up an i2p instance too.

[–] etherphon@piefed.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

There's no shortage of other ways to get it for an enterprising person, maybe a few extra clicks once you know where to go. That's likely one of the goals though, whitewashing the internet. It's such a massive business though, but maybe very fractured and independent.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago

People just go to the porn sites that aren't hosted in a jurisdiction that requires ID verification and the ID verifying platforms lose traffic or people use VPNs.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Facebook is kinda unavoidable here.

I have young kids, and marketplace has saved me thousands of dollars. Kids need a lot of different stuff at different ages and it's nice to be able to flip the stuff you dont need anymore and get the stuff they do need second hand.

Also messenger, what's app. My apartment building has a what's app group thats invaluable. I talk to customers on messenger.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It is totally avoidable, you will find new ways to handle your business. You have to stop using their service, they are a cancer on our society and they are actively engaging in propaganda for genocide amongst many other shitty things.

The sooner you pull the trigger the better off you will be. It is past time to move on.

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[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

Then you dont ever get to complain. You have other options, but its too hard for you, so youd rather just contribute to pissing away freedoms and privacy. Its because of people like you, who wont put up with even a little discomfort, that we are where we are. They keep pushing, and people like just keep on saying "OK".

If we are ever to stop this increasingly vile push to have us be endlessly profiled, its unfortunately going to have to be people like you that finally grow a fucking back bone. So yeah, we're fucked...

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[–] Networkcathode@piefed.social 12 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 weeks ago

This is just an excuse, not a justification. There's always garage sales and such. Also, Facebook Marketplace is not the only game in town.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

The issues related to facebook marketplace are not unique. Plenty of people have second-hand items to sell without using fb marketplace.

[–] rothaine@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Plenty of people have second-hand items to sell without using fb marketplace.

Where? Craigslist has become a pit. eBay is not cost effective for large items that are expensive to ship.

[–] Grabthar@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't know where you are, but Kijiji is absolutely thriving in Ontario. My old man has about 40-50 items up at any given time, and has no problems finding buyers to rotate through his stock, and he is nowhere near a major population centre. I just looked at ads for a city centre and there is a lot available. It is definitely possible to work outside of facebook.

[–] rothaine@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Never heard of Kijiji. Looks to be Canada-only?

[–] Grabthar@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You know, I could swear you used to be able to pick countries in it. But all I can find now is kijiji.ca.

[–] rothaine@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago

Might've died because of FB marketplace 😢

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 3 weeks ago

That's not really true.

I live in a fairly small city. There might be other platforms but they're not in common use.

I can list a box of toddler clothes and they'll sell in a week, while other platforms perhaps they won't sell at all.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm in this weird middle ground where I hate FB with a passion and it depresses me every time I log in, but I need to create a personal brand for my business (and to get laid, who am I kidding) and honestly I'm thinking about getting one of my friends to run it for me, which seems weird but

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

I think everyone feels that way. All you can do is just try to stick to the bits you really need.

I would def think about paying someone to manage your business page.