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I can't believe we're still having this discussion after what we watched live with our own eyes.
We watched it. They have their own propaganda news network.
Big emphasis on Network in this case. An entire dominant ecosystem promoted by right-wing billionaires and foreign nations like Russia and Israel.
It's called the Conservative Propaganda Machine.
i remember watching it go down. i got a call from a telemarketer, picked up, didn't say hello just told them "dude turn on the news shit's going down" and they hung up on me. my wife teaches littles, and i advised her to take the day off work as it was obvious to anyone paying attention to statesian politics that shit was going to happen. she said if anything happened it wouldn't be here (we live in Podunk, California) and her students would need her to help them calm down depending on the size the tragedy. as always, she was more right than me.
It's not really a discussion. They know damn well they are full of shit. But for the most part, they got away with it because we have a history of being soft when it comes to consequences for traitorous behavior.
Actually, we DON'T have "history" of being soft on Traitors. The only traitors we've allowed to get away with it are MAGAs. That's only because the rise of MAGA Power was accompanied by a parallel decrease in courage by Democrats, who allowed the MAGA Scourge to cheat and propagandize themselves into power without consequences
Yeah we let a bunch of confederate soldiers go home to their plantations and start weaving some lie about noble heritage and a difference of opinion. A whole bunch of traitors should've hanged but instead they went home and laid the groundwork for today.
That's our history of being soft on traitors.
That's a valid point, but I also see how it would have been impossible for Lincoln heal the nation after ordering the arrests and hanging of ever Confederate soldier. They should have hanged the leaders, though.
More importantly, we allowed each state to create their own educational curriculum, so those Confederate states just lied about their history, creating a system of generational hate, inherited by each new generation as "tradition."
2+2=4 everywhere in the Universe. There is no need for each state to interpret that. We should have a Federal educational curriculum that reflects the values outlined in our Founding Documents. That would have done far more to put America on a moral path than a Confederate Genocide.
This is a good comment that adds to this discussion and I agree with everything you've said.
Every single Confederate officer & politician should have been hanged by the neck until dead.
I literally had the fucking guided tour a year before the insurrection and I called out my MAGA ass family who were there with me saying this shit.
I took the guided tour years ago and definitely don't remember beating a police officer to death with a flag pole.
Ask for your money back.
That was the best part!
Took the tour twice with my kids Safety Patrol...4 years apart...I gotta say the first time with my son we were a bit slow on the uptake and didn't injure any staff....but I did some research for my second trip and my daughter got the full Monty...we did it like hell in a cell from the top of the cage ..through the table , let's just say quite a few officers were limping home that evening.
That's the premium tour, you can get a ticket and a memorial Presidential Pardon by donating $500,000 to your local senator's non-profit, who will make sure it makes it to the big man himself.
They started gaslighting about it on Day One.
Some asshat on Denver Post forums went out of his way to say things like "INSPLURECTION!" whenever anyone, bending over backwards if you ask me, called it an insurrection (I think it should be called terrorism, and certainly not a fucking "riot").
For example.