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Are all ya dumb fucks who refused to vote for Kamala happy?
Ya happy all your trans friends are about to be sent to concentration camps so you could virtue signal your pathetic hollow support for Palestine (that's actively doing far worse under Trump than under Biden BTW)?
Hope all the death and destruction partially on your hands was worth you feeling like a special little hero for a few hours last November.
No shit.
Hey assholes - this is what the "worse of two evils" looks like! Remember it for the next time, if you get a chance again.
Well, it was all worth it because something something "status quo" and we'd have a genocide in Gaza, or something.
I will always understand having grievances for the democratic party because all they do is defend the status quo - I do too - but not voting over that is just fucking stupid. You want to change that? Go to protests, vote in primaries, support local initiatives for ranked choice voting, donate to causes you find actually beneficial, support local politicians that dont just support the status quo, support movements you believe in. If its about Gaza, speak up about that, donate to humanitarian funds, etc. There are ao many things you can do that can impact these things. But refusing to vote does actually fucking nothing for that cause.
There is no world in which more people refusing to vote for Kamala would have gotten us a better president or stopped genocide in gaza. Or really had any impact in any way that wasn't making trump more likely to win. IMO the folks that did that were doing it more for themselves so they could feel morally superior because they didnt vote for the candidate that supported genocide or the "status quo" even though it literally never would have had any impact on either of those things.
(And let's be real - trump is way worse for Gaza than Kamala would have been. I'm sure she wouldn't have done enough, just like Biden, but at least there are voices in that party calling out Israel. Those voices fall far more deaf on this administration's ears)
Yep, I could not agree more. Seeing the smug and the self-righteous still proudly argle-bargling about Gaza is infuriating, if you ask me. I don't know how many genuinely feel this way when it's online - many could just be paid Russian stooges or bots, for all I know.
But I do know a few IRL and when it comes up, it's hard to keep my cool. It'd be one thing if they didn't act so goddamned morally superior about it all. I've noticed that all of the ones I know of IRL are not in at-risk groups, other than a few cases being women and some being not active xtians (but raised xtian), if that counts. But all of them are white, all of them are at least middle class, none are gay/trans...probably most have the means to get the fuck out of this country if they really had to, etc.
Trans person here, Harris sucked as a candidate. Her refusal to take any sort of stance against an ongoing genocide isn't the sole reason for her loss but it was certainly a pretty big factor, alongside all of the other positions she didn't meaningfully differentiate herself from Biden on in an attempt to win over non-existent moderate republicans. I don't blame a single person for refusing to vote for her, no one's vote belongs to a party. Being upset at the people who wanted at least one of the candidates running for president to not be actively supporting a genocide, instead of at those politicians, who were actively supporting a fucking genocide, seems at best misguided.
(Also, of the anarchist/leftist groups and spaces I've visited or been a part of irl, a pretty significant number of the people there have been queer or trans or in some other marginalized group.)
People who oppose genocide are morally superior to those who support it. I can imagine that people who want to support genocide while still wanting to pretend they're good people would like that to not be the case.
One sentence of shit I don't mean, but three paragraphs of shit I do mean.
And don't bring up primaries. It's just gloating since you know the party doesn't run honest primaries when it pretends to have them at all.
I mean we did all witness how maintaining support for Israel was deemed more important.
The Gazan War was so cynically manipulated to votes against Harris that it makes you think if that was all planned too.
I mean... It kinda was. Netanyahu deliberately stalled peace talks because he wanted Trump in power and he knew that killing Palestinians only hurt Kamala politically, it never hurt Trump because his voters don't give a shit.
this is not a war, it's been America helping the colonial occupation empty its largest concentration camp
they could have just stopped sending unlimited bombs to that genocidal occupation, but they chose to anyways in spite of all evidence that it was going to cost them the election.
They preferred losing the election to telling netanyahu no.
Something something both sides same.
One side, forgive student debt and invest in infrastructure.
Other side, masked agents kidnap off street, send people to concentration camps, and censor free speech.
See, both sides same.
I would love to know how many people actually refused to vote for Kamala for the reasons you stated. Obviously it's not zero, but I have seen some variation of the "are you happy now?" comment hundreds of times, and I've never spoken to such a protest voter in real life. Or maybe they're everywhere and they're too embarrassed to admit it.
Instead of pointing to gerrymandering, voter suppression and potential massive election fraud, the mass of comments like yours is starting to feel like straw manning.
My dude, look at the replies to my comments. These people are outing themselves.
Guilty conscious maybe?
Of course they would be more hush hush about their fuck up now. Who but the most imbecilic narcissists would say gleefully as minorities are being shipped end masse to concentration camps that they intentionally refused to act to stop it?
Ok, fine - everyone who didn't vote is irresponsible and unreliable and a bad ally or whatever, and also let's do Fox News' work for them and blame left-leaning emancipatory movements for our problems.
Now what? What viable allies, what options, does this frame of reference leave you with? What are you going to do now?
I've spent a lifetime watching people blame the ones closest to them for their problems, while the real enemy is right in front of them. It's a powerful human impulse, and it's the primary right-wing impulse. I'm not foolish enough to think it's ever going away. I can only hope, like I hope of right-wingers, that you're not too far gone into rage and despair to understand what's going on.
I can only hope that at some point, before it's too late, you'll consider how far a political establishment needs to fall that the people it's supposed to stand for find it less depressing to tune out; that the only people who engage with the system do it to bring in a guy who'll tear it all down. I hope you'll be able to direct your rage at the people who truly deserve it.
I hope you find a way to work with the rest of us. Otherwise, I hope that you're strong enough to fix this yourself.
You guys still cant accept that your candidate just sucked? No? Still blaming leftists and minorities?
Anyone who didn't vote against trump deserves the blame
What good does the blame do? People are ants compared to those that run in a democracy seeking election to represent the people in our current system.
I'd like to request that you do your best to find it in you to soften your heart towards others who, in any other context outside of this past election, would likely be seen as allies to all of humanity for their commonly expressed sentiment and principles.
You see them through a negative lens right now and your feelings and perspective are both valid, but division is counterintuitive to movement building and community. Dishing out blame like it's candy only hardens your heart more and has the potential of hardening the hearts of others.
I voted for harris. This will not matter to any centrist, since I spoke out against their only policy.
The anti-genocide left was too insignificant to listen to, according to the pro-genocide center. Now they're solely to blame for her loss, according to the pro-genocide center.
It can't be both. Either they're too insignificant to listen to, in which case they're too insignificant to blame, or they're to blame, in which case they're kingmakers and you should have listened to them.
Best thing we can do is to stop blaming and focus on solutions. Holy fuck this is frustrating and tedious.
If centrists were interested in solutions, they wouldn't be blaming the wing of the party that wants them.
But then how will they learn?! /s
Virtue Signalling leftists when boycotting voting for Hillary didn't turn the Dems left so why the fuck would boycotting Kamala do it?
Hillary explicitly told the left that she didn't need their votes... I guess, in hindsight, she was wrong.
Irrelevant to what I said. Reread it.
As leftists, we need to act in the best interests of the working class. If that means electing an arrogant cunt over a demented fascist, that means electing an arrogant cunt over a demented fascist.
The left refusing to vote for Hillary in 2016 didn't move the party left. We didn't get Bernie, we got Biden.
Why? Because a fascist presidency didn't make people think "hey, we need a real progressive for real change", it made people scared and panic vote for who they perceived was the "safest" vote, which was Biden.
History will repeat itself (assuming we even have a fair enough election in 2028, let alone 2026).
Every year the DNC says "we got less votes this year! Must be the centrists voting for republicans, we gotta be more moderate!" and then somehow those folks turn around and say "the democrats are too moderate, if enough of us don't vote, the DNC will see they are losing support and realize they need to come back left!"
When they win, they take it as a mandate to move to the right. When they lose, they assume it's because they weren't far enough to the right.
You sound like a republican here. For good reason.