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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

but it would be you in all the ways that matter.

Except for the only way that matters to me

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, you (the new you) wouldn't even know the difference.

It'd be like when you fall asleep on the couch and sleep for two minutes, but the dream seems like it lasted several days, because you dreamt of having memories of things. The brain simply doesn't know the difference between memories of a long dream or a short dream of long memories.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Preface: I'm talking about Star Trek's transporters specifically. Teleportation via destruction and reconstruction. Any kind of space folding wormhole nonsense obviously doesn't apply here.

There is no new me, there's someone else with my memories. Why would I care whether he knows the difference? This is equivocation. There is only one you, and that's the physical entity reading this comment right now. If a perfect copy of you were made over there, you could consider them a you, but they aren't you.

If you step onto a transporter pad to teleport to the Starship Enterprise, then you never live to see the inside of it. You can philosophize all you want about what "you" actually means, but at the end of the day, the you that you are dies. What that copy does or does not experience has no bearing on that fact.

I always get like 15 comments deep in these threads reiterating the same point over and over, so I'll just get ahead of that and reiterate it now: unless you believe you have a soul, your existence ends the moment your body is destroyed. A transporter kills you, and there is no way to philosophize your way around that. The fact that someone else who shares all of your memories doesn't remember any lapse in consciousness doesn't change the fact that the only you that meaningfully exists fucking dies.

I won't be responding to any replies that don't acknowledge my validity as an independent entity. Anyone who asserts that someone else who shares my memories has any claim over being me is getting blocked. I hate this argument and I hate that so many people are so frequently wrong about it.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 2 points 1 day ago

Dead people don't care either, so neither would you if you chose to enter a teleporter. The real question is where they put all the remains of the old versions.

I don't think the Star Trek transporter works like that though. They do pass the material through worn holey warp space or something. There are episodes about them getting stuck there and such.