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[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I understand that, and you're right. Some people will see that and not take it seriously bc it seems so unfamiliar to what they associate with patriotism, and that's a big part of the problem. Liberty and Justice for all means exactly that. It's important people be allowed to protest and express themselves however they feel is important to them.

I've had similar conversations with people about defending messages of Christianity, and people like James Talarico speaking out against the weaponization of Christianity by the right.

A lot of times people on the left will say something like why do we need to embrace that message at all? Why cater to the right, isn't it enough to say separation of church and state? The answer is yes, and you don't need to embrace a Christian message anymore than you need to wrap yourself in an American flag to prove you're American.

However, if those are things you hold close to you, it is important you express those messages side by side Americans who look nothing like you.

The reason why is that the Christian nationalist movement relies on a narrative of victimhood and fear. "The so called tolerant left wants to destroy Christianity and traditional America. There is no room for you. They don't want you."

So it's important to show them what equality actually means, and if they can learn to stand peacefully next to others that don't look like them and express the values that do matter to them, then they're welcome too. If not, then they can just keep sticking with a message that claims to love America in name, but apparently has no use for the values it was founded on.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The reason why is that the Christian nationalist movement relies on a narrative of victimhood and fear. “The so called tolerant left wants to destroy Christianity and traditional America. There is no room for you. They don’t want you.”

I don't feel any special affinity for xtianity, though I was raised in a (leftist) tradition of xtianity, and have more than a few family members still part of various leftist xtian denominations. But the left and the Democratic Party have lots and lots of xtians in both, so what the right says is of course utter and complete nonsense.

What should be made clear is that there is plenty of room for xtians - as long as they realize that they have no special place or privilege over other Americans, and they have no special rights to try to indoctrinate others. If the rest of us don't want to be part of their thing, they need to respect that and leave us the fuck alone. Their laws are for them and for them alone. Their rules don't apply to our secular government. When they start trying to subject other people and their children to their book club by governmental force and injecting their rules into our government, that's where the problems start.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 2 points 1 day ago

I get that, I do, but the win that happened in Portland only happened because they agreed not to step outside certain boxes.

What this looks like on Noem’s film will decide whether or not martial law happens. DC marchers didn’t ask for that responsibility, but these are the times we live in and they have it now.

Portland didn’t ask for it either, and they worked together with a set of guidelines and won.

This next battle won’t be as easy as Portland’s, ether.

Everything you say is true. And will continue to be true at all the No Kings since 1776 marches EXCEPT the one in DC.

DC is Portland 2.0, which means everyone there has to craft an image for social media cameras and not take any bait. Or it could be martial law for everyone. No pressure.

Wear your rainbow. Or your inflatable frog suit. Just wear a bigger American flag. That’s all. Unless someone has a better idea for good film.

Keep the “since 1776” on No Kings, it resonates more.