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[–] CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works 25 points 10 months ago (4 children)

We don't. This isn't the U.S. with their freedom of speech, where you can say literally anything. We have something called freedom of expression, which does not cover hate speech, and a few other things.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The article is not about free speech absolutism. It is about journalism. Hate speech has nothing to do with it.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Perhaps the headline should have reflected the actual topic more accurately.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Take it up with Nora.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Or maybe people should've read the article instead of commenting based on the title

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A) Welcome to the internet.

B) I don't actually think it's unreasonable to think that a headline should clearly indicate the subject of the article - why have headlines otherwise?

[–] Elderos@lemmings.world -2 points 10 months ago

A) Take the L and don't do it again.

B) Welcome to the internet.

[–] corrupts_absolutely@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

well you should use your freedom of expression to express your concern for israel's actions on mainstream tv channels

[–] folkrav@lemmy.ca -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

"You" being who?

Edit: it was a genuine follow-up question to a statement that I feel could have been interpreted in a couple of ways, and his answer did give some precisions on his position, which is why I wanted to ask, rather than assume. No idea why refusing to judge hastily warrants downvotes lol

[–] corrupts_absolutely@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the article opens with stories of people losing their positions over comments on gaza conflict

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Freedom of expression doesn't mean free from consequences.

It only means you can't be arrested for what you say.

[–] corrupts_absolutely@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

so in your opinion when charlie hebdo shooting has happened the artists and writers have maintained their freedom of expression well into their deaths? after all they were free to make any kind of comic and they didnt receive any government backlash.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, actually. They did. Consequences don't always come from those in the right. Sometimes they come from fanatics and deviants. Consequences and justice are not synonyms.

You can provide protections from certain unsavory consequences, but those protections will never be perfect. Sometimes terrible things happen to people for expressing themselves. That doesn't mean they didn't have the inalienable right to express themselves in the first place.

[–] corrupts_absolutely@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

well thank god they werent fined i guess

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago

You seem to be conflating two different issues. You may want to consider just how much mixing of philosophies you've been doing. It's probably led to a lot of frustration and anger in your life.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The US doesn't have freedom of speech either... Source: American.

[–] folkrav@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

I mean, you do have it codified in your Constitution as its very first amendment. Now, how much is it really protected, in practice...

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just want the word "literally" to be misused less. Learn new adverbs, please.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

You missed that bus 15 years ago, bud