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Bubba Copeland shot himself in front of police on Friday, days after he begged 1819 News not to expose his private life.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hours before Copeland’s death, Hemant Mehta, who runs the popular religion blog Friendly Atheist, noted that Copeland did not appear to have bigoted views toward transgender people or people who simply enjoy cross-dressing.

“There’s a story making the rounds about an Alabama preacher/mayor who secretly dresses in drag and adopts the persona of a trans woman on social media,” Mehta tweeted. “The problem? It’s not clear he’s a hypocrite. If he’s not a bigot, why is he being outed?”

https://www.mediaite.com/news/mayor-commits-suicide-after-conservative-website-publishes-photos-of-him-in-womens-clothing/

[–] unoriginalsin@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Mehta tweeted. “The problem? It’s not clear he’s a hypocrite. If he’s not a bigot, why is he being outed?”

Maybe we shouldn't be outing anyone. One's personal sexuality isn't anybody else's business. Even if one is a bigot.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think there is a good argument to be made for outing someone closeted who is using their power to oppress LGBT+ people, but there is also a trend of labeling any homophobic politician as being in the closet when a lot of them are just plain old bigots.

[–] unoriginalsin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think there is a good argument to be made

I'm sorry, but I must vehemently disagree. There is absolutely no reason to discuss publicly someone's private sexual preferences. Otherwise, you have the society they want where witch-hunts can be started over rumors.

there is also a trend of labeling any homophobic politician as being in the closet

That is also bad, and should not be tolerated.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If I'm being oppressed I would like to know if the thing I'm being opposed for is something my oppressor practices. That is called injustice.

[–] unoriginalsin@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's called none of your business. You can't expect someone to adhere to a standard you refuse to recognize. It's classic, "Rules for thee..."

[–] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But I can expect them to adhere to a standard they're using to oppress me.

[–] unoriginalsin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

That is actually a different thing. And I agree, but you still shouldn't be outing them.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Excuse me? Are you for, "rules for thee but not for me"? I cannot decipher your actual stance.

[–] unoriginalsin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I cannot decipher your actual stance.

I can't fathom why, when I've stated it multiple times in the clearest possibly English.

Don't out anyone. No exceptions.

If you make exceptions then it's you who is creating "rules for thee..."

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But if your oppressor is LGBTQ+ and oppressing you for being LGBTQ+ it is "rules for thee..."

Tell me I'm wrong, you nut.

Most importantly, in this case I don't think we should be defending the rights of an oppressor over the rights of the oppressed.

Edit:

I could go on. The exact reason someone would not want to be outed is because of the social stigma created by the oppressor. So your stance is doubly absurd.

[–] unoriginalsin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But if your oppressor is LGBTQ+ and oppressing you for being LGBTQ+ it is "rules for thee..."

Yes. He is "rules for thee..."ing you.

But when you out him you become the one not abiding by your own rules. Twice. Once for the outing, because you don't want to be outed. And again for not holding yourself to your own standard of not having rules that don't apply to you.

I don't think we should be defending the rights of an oppressor over the rights of the oppressed.

If you think that some people don't deserve to have their rights protected, then you are the oppressor.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That is absolute bullshit. Youre just a troll, as it turns out.

[–] unoriginalsin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not a troll. You're a hypocrite.

[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

nah, if you're an elected political official with power over other peoples lives, and you're a bigot, it's open fuckin season, and i'd recommend outting every single last goddamned one of them

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Except he wasn't outed as a bigot. He was outed as "not a bigot".

[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All Republicans are hypocritical bigots, by definition. It's the core of their political party, it's who they signed up to be identified with, it's who they are, or in the case of this poor bigoted fuck, were. I don't want to see any "but this was a nice republican" bullshit. After the Southern Strategy in 1964, all Republicans are trash, every single one.

Institutionalized racism, misogyny, homophobia, and white Christian separatism as party platform. No matter how "conservative" Republicans claimed to be, The Southern Strategy was the core value and singular driving force for the past 60 years. MAGA isn't a symptom, it's result.

[–] Bizarroland@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Maybe the politicians, I could agree with that, but most Republican voters are not on board with the southern strategy and all of this other stuff.

All the majority know is that they hate Democrats, and that is why they vote the way they do. Human beings are creatures of habit after all.

Besides, even if a group of people are doing bad things en masse, it's ultimately counterproductive to lump the followers in with the leaders. It makes it harder for the followers to break from the leaders that are leading them down the wrong path.

I am anti-republican politics, and I don't get along with Republican voters, but I'm not going to call the guy at the gas station evil because he votes Republican because his dad voted Republican because his dad voted Republican.

[–] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They aren't evil, doesn't stop them being ignorant, stupid, wrong, and detrimental to society. Ebola isn't evil, but it'll fuck up your life if you don't kill it first.

Republican voters are cancer, they might not want to kill you, but they will.

[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

fuck. and. you.

[–] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Maybe the politicians, I could agree with that, but most Republican voters are not on board with the southern strategy and all of this other stuff.

It's certainly a not big enough deal for them to leave.

I’m not going to call the guy at the gas station evil because he votes Republican because his dad voted Republican because his dad voted Republican.

I am.

If they're voting to for and supporting the party that does evil stuff, it really doesn't matter the reason they do it for.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I didn't vote for the Nazis to kill the Jews, I just wanted my taxes lowered :(

[–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Out the ones that could be a part of the ones who could effect change so they can be ousted and replaced by another run-of-the-mill Republican demon. Smart. Real big-brained move.

[–] RIPandTERROR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Mmmmmmmm... No, you know what? fuck that. You don't get to be a bigot and then expect privacy in your own life. Response to even if one is a bigot

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly.

This is classic conservative rules for thee bullshit.

[–] unoriginalsin@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is classic conservative rules for thee bullshit.

This is anti-conservatives sinking to the level of conservative rules for thee bullshit.

You're literally saying "it's ok to be queer, unless..." Either it's ok, it it's not. Spoiler alert, it's fucking ok.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes I'm saying it's ok to be queer and not ok to be intolerant. What the fuck is wrong with your reading comprehension?

No one is saying that it is ok that he was outed. They're saying he was making rules as a Republican official that bound LGBTQ people and the instant those rules would apply to him he killed himself..

Rules for thee but not me.

Do u get it now, junior?

[–] unoriginalsin@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No one is saying that it is ok that he was outed.

Plenty of people are saying exactly that. Are you reading a different thread?

Do u get it now, junior?

Go back to Reddit, you muppet.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Uk u lost when you resort to "go back to reddit" followed by an ad hominem.

[–] unoriginalsin@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Typical Redditor. Thinking every insult is ad hominem. You don't get to start throwing insults around and not expect some in return.

[–] unoriginalsin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You don't get to be a bigot and then expect privacy in your own life.

You have it exactly backwards though. You don't get to expect privacy in your own life if you refuse to respect the privacy of others.

Also, why would you fight bigotry by demeaning the very thing they oppose with their bigotry? You're only adding fuel to the fire.

[–] RIPandTERROR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Paradox of intolerance. Your argument is invalid.

[–] unoriginalsin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Wrong. You don't have to tolerate bigotry to respect sexual privacy. You have no argument.

[–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

Imagine outing someone as straight. Essentially it's a weird attempt to enforce a degree of group think

[–] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's the biggest problem with religion and hypocrisy. You're all right being against everything that doesn't concern you personally but as soon as it does suddenly it's a problem.

[–] nottheengineer@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“The problem? It’s not clear he’s a hypocrite. If he’s not a bigot, why is he being outed?”

Because every issue has exactly two sides nowadays. And this guy uses twitter, so he should have noticed that by now.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

That quote is ignoring the fact that it was his fellow conservatives who went after him to destroy his life. It is his fellow conservatives -- the ones he chose to stand among and support -- that enjoy this outcome.

You cannot be surprised when bullies bully. And the people who hang out with bullies because it benefits them to do so? They are also bullies.

And unfortunately, I think that's exactly why you're wrong. The issue isn't partisanship. The issue is bigotry. These people outed him because they hate and want to destroy LGBT people. There's no shades of grey here. There is no moderate position. This story happened even with no one from the opposite partisan position being involved.