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[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No conversation about UBI is complete without also discussing the source of the funds and how other government programs might be effected.

I think UBI sounds great on the surface but I worry that it could alter our basic survival incentives which may have unintended consequences for the group of people who aren't needing UBI.

Should UBI replace existing food and housing programs? Should UBI replace other things that are designed to mold the economy such as subsidized public transportation or small business loan guarantees? What about income tax incentives designed to encourage saving and growing money carefully versus consumption (capital gains versus income tax, tax-deferred retirement savings accounts).

I suspect there's a fairly significant carry-on effect from shifting resources away from these types of programs to a UBI program. But what I'm not clear on is how that might impact other behaviors from well resourced people who may start to play the game, so to speak, by a new set of rules.

For example, do we see inflation around inelastic needs such as rent prices and grocery bills? If we did, UBI is not much more than a grocery store/landlord stimulus program. It's hard to imagine that we wouldn't see this unless controls are placed on those businesses which in turn, removes incentives to own and grow businesses.

It seems like a UBI program would promote an economy based on consumption and not on savings and investment. Why save your money if you'll get topped up again next month, and every month for the rest of your life? By investment I'm not talking about Wall Street, I'm talking about finishing college degrees, investing in new ideas, chasing startup ideas, those people who stay up late at night working on inventions that they think could bring them rewards.

Perhaps the most fundamental question to be answered is this:

To what degree do we, as the human race, find benefit in helping the less capable of our species survive. Potentially at a cost - not to the strongest and most capable - but instead placed mostly on the shoulders of the slightly-more-capable.

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago

At this point there is no hope of us being well off enough to excessively consume, save, invest, and definitely not to grow money. The rich folks want a huge chunk of the population dead. Our future is slavery unless we overcome this, and most people I know are extremely unaware of the issues.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

As a fellow human, fuck our basic survival incentives. There are things corporations ask us to do where "death first!" is a reasonable answer.

We deserve better, and we can give it to ourselves and our children.