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they want to provoke violent confrontation, and are likely supporting those who are contributing here advocating for violent reaction. Don’t fall into the trap and they will not have any excuses or justification for escalation.
To be clear: reacting with violence will allow them to justify their escalation of violence, which is exactly what they want.
this is chess, not checkers.
You don't fucking get it. No one listen to this guy.
FEAR OF ESCALATION WILL ONLY BRING MORE ESCALATION.
The "don't be provoked" thing only works in the old world. The one where rules and laws still exist.
These people are taking over, completely, and they will happily do so over your dead body if that's what it takes.
They know it, and I'm starting to get the feeling the shooter yesterday had instructions to kill. The fact that the shooter is not in custody is ALL the evidence anyone needs now to fully understand.
Good luck to all.
For real, people like ghost are more likely plants or bots that are trying to defuse and capture pressure so you don't do what needs to be done. MAGA lives don't matter, they have passed the moral event horizon. Do the right thing and defend yourself from our domestic enemies.
they're going to do the violence anyways, and they'll make up excuses
woman trying to drive her car away from them? shoot her in the face
Renee didn't escalate, and see what that got her?
ICE is dependent on people not being able to fight back. They are bullies, and would be much less likely to engage if they could end up getting three bullets in the face. Power that can be applied to them, is the only thing that a bully would respect.
Right, she didn't and we get outrage and a chance. If she pulled a gun on ICE then ICE would actually have ammo for their actions. I know how it sounds, but killing peaceful protestors is a very different thing from killing aggressive protestors. Deaths will increase with aggression from our side.
Read up on the nazi occupation of Europe, in many places like the Netherlands where people engaged in peaceful protest after surrender, while the Dutch government started to work with the nazis. Hence they were able to do all their bullshit, such as mass deportations. There's multiple spaces in the Netherlands that are basically mass graves or memorials because we tried to reason with fucking nazis.
But in other places such as Denmark, people resisted and fought back together with government support despite the occupation, because of this the nazis weren't able to do most of their shit. Your country is currently infested with nazis who are deporting your people, fight them, don't reason with them. Sabotage them, refuse them service, boycott companies that provide them with services, make their lives hell, don't let them shop in your stores, walk on your streets or do anything, it's the only option.
Also French Resistance to Nazis
Renee wouldn't have to pull a gun, so long as some observers and protesters are carrying. This is because there is an implication: "If you harm us, we will do the same to you." It would go BOTH ways.
Problem is, ICE doesn't have consequences of any kind to keep them from committing violence. They get the satisfaction of hurting people, without paying a price for it.
I fully agree with you
The other thing that's horrible but meaningful to absorb is that: We are at war with ICE. It's not "escalation towards war", this slow motion of opinions is the war.
If you imagine the many thousands of people who died for our freedoms in World War 2, it becomes impossible to fathom, both the tragic loss, and the bravery of those volunteering to go. We're instead fighting along ideology lines, rather than an actual frontline.
Point being, choosing to risk one's self to announce ICE's presence and protest their actions is a similar form of bravery, and it does have an impact. Everyone choosing to tackle that challenge should be aware of the nonzero chance their actions may result in being a victim of violence or even death. If you can look to the bravery of old war veterans, and accept the comparably low, but still present, level of risk from nonviolent protest, it becomes easier to accept it as a path forward; especially since we can unfortunately see that a decade of fighting Nazi Germany did not utterly destroy the Nazi party.
Dude, they are already shooting and killing peaceful protesters. What does escalation even mean in that context? They'll shoot and kill even more people? When someone is shooting at you, self defense is allowed.
I advocate for violence all the time. That's because I hate them.
I think it's silly to prolong this. They are doing damage by the day.
This position is not sustainable. All it takes is one act of violence to justify escalation against everyone.
Exactly what "violence" was Renee Good guilty of?
These gestapo don't need excuses or justification because they have no responsibility or consequences.
It's not what OC means.
If people start actually fighting against ICE, as in, with physical violence, Trump will enact martial law and take any remaining restrictions off of his goons.
While I don't think we should show them our violent side, I would not evoke fears of martial law. Trump wants people to naturally follow the concept of martial law because he does not have the resources or support to enact it. It's what AOC said; "Do not comply in advance". Don't believe any claims that the gestapo "could choose to make things worse".
He already assumes an alternate reality. He already made up BS to deploy National Guard. Now his Gestapo executes people in the street and they're making up terrorist accusations.
He WILL absolutely declare martial law based on made up threats. It's not a "if", it's only a "when". His goons can already shoot people in the street in front of cameras, I don't know how much more restrictions you believe they have.
I'm not tellling you to take arms, I have the privilege to not live in the US, but do you realize the escalation pace you've been through in 1 year, and you still think it won't go further?
He'll find a way to do it anyways if that's his wanted plan. Appeasement does not work.
So fire 6 times instead of 3?
Protestors are coming to these events with no weapons in hand, I think it is perfectly reasonable, given what we've seen, for protestors to be carrying guns like the black panthers did. ICE needs to know that thier violence will not go unopposed, the need to SEE that.
Reminder that California has strict gun laws primarily because racist Republicans feared an armed Black Panther march on the state capitol. See: Mulford Act
Okay can you share our next moves?
Because my calculus says civil war is inevitable and better earlier than later as they are actively preparing. They will look to build camps and disarm. It should crack off now.
The longer we wait the stronger their position became.
But please if you have a grandmaster mate worked out let’s hear it.
The most effective non-violent action we can take is joining local mutual aid groups, reading Full Spectrum Resistance for more details, and ultimately preparing and organizing for a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would've had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren't in a union (or even if you are, it's worth dual-carding), please consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you'll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn't listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they'll help you set up a new local branch.
Right, placating Hitler instead of confronting him went great historically.
This seems like just a guess though of what seems "likely" and who "they" support. Truth is that no one knows. They may be supporting you as your argument is one that suppresses resistance and makes it seem futile, which also favours them and can be quite dangerous.
Not that I know what the truth is, just want to make clear no one knows. And they do not seem to need a justification for violence anyway.
They're just playing you (saying this from outside US) because they know you can't make sense of this, and resisting or not will both work in their favour.
If it was chess, Trump wouldn't be winning. This is far from chess, it's the jungle.
No, we're way passed this point. They are going to enact violence no matter how well behaved you are. The only hope is to show up in massive numbers and remind them how many more of us there are.
But it is a double negative. Peaceful protests hasn't done jack shit so far, now it's naturally a phase two..
They are already murdering people...
👆 listening to this fool will get you and your loved ones killed
They will do that anyway. What are the ptotesters saving themselves for, slavery? Maybe they should try to emmigrate. That way, they can all be here, when we start gathering every person we can for the fight.
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Bullies need to be punched in the face.
Yea I remember when in school if you dont react to aggressive scumbag beating you he will stop bullying you. Works all the time
Meanwhile they murder and deport people.
Keep playing chess and you won't have anyone else to play with.
They just ate their own rook.
I’ll bet you also like to call Trump TACO, too, huh?
That they will escalate their violence is inevitable. At this point we should all be organizing our communities for self defense.
TACO only refers to dealing with bodies who can and do resist him. China can hit him. Europe can hit him. Even Canada can bite (and some tariff to take effect in 2026 were just pushed out to 2027, because… TACO!).
But "his" people does not bite (yet). So no limit there until he feels some kind of pain in return.