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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sex work differs from most other type of work in one very significant way - it's an industry in which capitalists cannot really control the means of production unless slavery (ie, a person can become the private property of another) is legalized and institutionalized. In other words, a sex worker - for the most part - is not as easily coerced into selling their labor to capitalists like most workers can be, and capitalists hate when people have a way to opt out of being hosts for their parasitism.

Sex work also has a way of subverting patriarchal norms upon which the status quo rests.

This is not to say that sex work is automatically a revolutionary, anti-capitalist or even "empowering" thing by itself - there are plenty of ways in which our socio-economic systems allows and enables de facto slavery without calling it slavery - but it certainly doesn't fit into the neat class hierarchy that capitalists wants society to be trapped within.

[–] stella@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sex work also has a way of subverting patriarchal norms upon which the status quo rests.

cough, what? No, it reinforces those norms. Men in power get to have women at their beck and call.

This isn't a capitalist thing. Just look at how profitable the sex industry is in Nevada.

It's a "holier than thou" thing that we just haven't been able to get rid of in our society.

As much as I like calling out greed for what it is, this simply isn't one of those cases.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

cough, what?

You read correctly the first time. It's a lot more difficult to entrap sex workers in patriarchal hierarchies than a housewife (for instance)... this should not be too difficult to understand.

This isn’t a capitalist thing.

All sex work in the world today exists under a capitalist mode of production - as far as I can tell, there is (officially, at least) no such thing as "publicly-funded" sex work... and that is unfortunate.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

as far as I can tell, there is (officially, at least) no such thing as "publicly-funded" sex work... and that is unfortunate.

You lost me.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Due to both criminalization and demonization, sex workers are prevented from performing very necessary work in our society - such as being the only people that are qualified to perform sex education, for instance - so yes... it is quite unfortunate that sex work cannot be performed as a service to the public.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sex education is more about the changes your body goes through during puberty as well as how reproduction works. None of that is related to sex work. Sex work is about making people feel good.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sex education is more about the changes your body goes through during puberty as well as how reproduction works.

That's basic biology - not sex education. The fact that you can't even discern the difference proves the point.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's what I was taught in sex ed. What were you taught?

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I think that is the problem.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Not even that.

[–] stella@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago
[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait till you learn that you can be self employed outside of sex work.

For the most parts its just christian morality still ingrained in our society.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait till you learn that you can be self employed outside of sex work.

Yes, the homeless people trying to sell me trinkets at the intersection certainly seems to prove your point.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only self employed people you can think of are homeless dudes selling trinkets and prostitutes?

[–] cricket98@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I disagree with this entire claim. Sex workers are notorious for "having a price" to do nearly anything. I would say they are more susceptible to doing disgusting shit for money. There's a reason why there's an ongoing joke about sex workers getting shit on during their trips to dubai.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sex workers are notorious for “having a price” to do nearly anything.

And what do you think the rest of us do, eh Clyde? How many sex workers have to piss in bottles to make Jeff Bezos richer?

There's a reason we don't use the term "prostitute" any more - it's got something to do with the fact that understanding how capitalism works very quickly makes it real clear who the real "prostitutes" are...

[–] cricket98@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think sex workers are pressured to get into progressively more disgusting shit because that's what pays. The market is flooded at this point and the only thing you can do to stick out is either be famous or be willing to degrade yourself.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think

You think?

And this expertise on sex work comes from where?

[–] cricket98@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm expressing my opinion on a public forum. I hate how internet comments have become an eternal game of gotchas. I can be aware of a topic without participating in it.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is your opinion an informed one? Or are you just regurgitating propaganda you assume to be your opinion?