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[–] David_Eight@lemmy.world 135 points 2 years ago (16 children)

Why is sex work even illegal in the first place.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 81 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Selling is legal, fucking is legal, why isn't selling fucking legal?

-- George Carlin

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seas he also the fella that said “Getting paid for sex is illegal… UNLESS YOU RECORD IT!”

[–] vrek@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

For years I've contemplated the idea if I came into a bunch of money if starting a porn studio where the customer is an actor/actress in the porn.

We have a building and several "sets" with cameras recording, customer picks their "partner" and "set" and "shoot the porn", after they are done the video is burned on to a dvd(or blue ray or potentially put on a private file server).

The customer isn't paying for sex, they are paying for the video.

Pretty sure it would have a ton of legal push back and I would need a lot of money for the lawyers to fight the cases.

But 1. Safer for everyone imvolved(it's video taped so you won't beat/hurt/kill the other party) 2.technically legal just like shooting porn

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

This is actually a great idea for couples! The issue of course would be to make sure that the couples are actual couples.

You could have them sign a release indicating that it's a "photo studio", and you can have different prices: one for commercial use ($5,000 per hour) and one for private use ($100 an hour, and you're not allowed to commercially distribute the DVD.)

[–] oshu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Think there is a big group of customers for sex who want it captured on video?

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

You could burn it to a dvd or whatever, delete the file, and give the customer the only copy. Whether they choose to keep it or destroy it is their own choice.

[–] vrek@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

They get the only copy... I don't care if the watch it, post it online or just it for skeet shooting with a shotgun.

[–] vrek@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Not to mention the possible tie ins...imagine if the studio partnered with onlyfans... Or offered special spaces with live streaming(with permission) to people's Webcam sites.

"remember to join the stream this Saturday where we will be on location in the pleasure dome's sunset beach set for a special sex on the beach adventure"

[–] quindraco@lemm.ee 48 points 2 years ago

The underlying assumption is the same as in abortion: that women can't be entrusted with agency over their own bodies.

[–] stella@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago

Puritan values.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My bet is on America's conservative puritan history where anything good is bad.

Also sex trafficking. At least that's the argument for keeping it illegal. :(

[–] Plague_Doctor@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I believe the reason sex trafficking happens is because sex work is illegal.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Which is bollocks anyways because illegalization actually makes things less safe for all sex workers, but especially for trafficking victims who are now legally marginalized into dark number status

[–] momtheregoesthatman@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Old white men elected themselves under the guise of voting (gerrymandering who?) and are too embarrassed and confused to allow women the rights they have as humans. Isn't democracy silly.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

I'd say the diagram of "Why is sex work illegal" and "Why is abortion illegal" is almost a perfect circle.

It's about contolling other peoples' bodies and weakening the separation of church and state.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Sex work differs from most other type of work in one very significant way - it's an industry in which capitalists cannot really control the means of production unless slavery (ie, a person can become the private property of another) is legalized and institutionalized. In other words, a sex worker - for the most part - is not as easily coerced into selling their labor to capitalists like most workers can be, and capitalists hate when people have a way to opt out of being hosts for their parasitism.

Sex work also has a way of subverting patriarchal norms upon which the status quo rests.

This is not to say that sex work is automatically a revolutionary, anti-capitalist or even "empowering" thing by itself - there are plenty of ways in which our socio-economic systems allows and enables de facto slavery without calling it slavery - but it certainly doesn't fit into the neat class hierarchy that capitalists wants society to be trapped within.

[–] stella@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Sex work also has a way of subverting patriarchal norms upon which the status quo rests.

cough, what? No, it reinforces those norms. Men in power get to have women at their beck and call.

This isn't a capitalist thing. Just look at how profitable the sex industry is in Nevada.

It's a "holier than thou" thing that we just haven't been able to get rid of in our society.

As much as I like calling out greed for what it is, this simply isn't one of those cases.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

cough, what?

You read correctly the first time. It's a lot more difficult to entrap sex workers in patriarchal hierarchies than a housewife (for instance)... this should not be too difficult to understand.

This isn’t a capitalist thing.

All sex work in the world today exists under a capitalist mode of production - as far as I can tell, there is (officially, at least) no such thing as "publicly-funded" sex work... and that is unfortunate.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

as far as I can tell, there is (officially, at least) no such thing as "publicly-funded" sex work... and that is unfortunate.

You lost me.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Due to both criminalization and demonization, sex workers are prevented from performing very necessary work in our society - such as being the only people that are qualified to perform sex education, for instance - so yes... it is quite unfortunate that sex work cannot be performed as a service to the public.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Sex education is more about the changes your body goes through during puberty as well as how reproduction works. None of that is related to sex work. Sex work is about making people feel good.

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[–] stella@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago
[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wait till you learn that you can be self employed outside of sex work.

For the most parts its just christian morality still ingrained in our society.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wait till you learn that you can be self employed outside of sex work.

Yes, the homeless people trying to sell me trinkets at the intersection certainly seems to prove your point.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 8 points 2 years ago (7 children)

The only self employed people you can think of are homeless dudes selling trinkets and prostitutes?

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[–] cricket98@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I disagree with this entire claim. Sex workers are notorious for "having a price" to do nearly anything. I would say they are more susceptible to doing disgusting shit for money. There's a reason why there's an ongoing joke about sex workers getting shit on during their trips to dubai.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sex workers are notorious for “having a price” to do nearly anything.

And what do you think the rest of us do, eh Clyde? How many sex workers have to piss in bottles to make Jeff Bezos richer?

There's a reason we don't use the term "prostitute" any more - it's got something to do with the fact that understanding how capitalism works very quickly makes it real clear who the real "prostitutes" are...

[–] cricket98@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think sex workers are pressured to get into progressively more disgusting shit because that's what pays. The market is flooded at this point and the only thing you can do to stick out is either be famous or be willing to degrade yourself.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think

You think?

And this expertise on sex work comes from where?

[–] cricket98@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I'm expressing my opinion on a public forum. I hate how internet comments have become an eternal game of gotchas. I can be aware of a topic without participating in it.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is your opinion an informed one? Or are you just regurgitating propaganda you assume to be your opinion?

[–] Igloojoe@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

AFAIK, it's not federally illegal, but mostly every state bans it. As how Nevada can have prostitution.

[–] rchive@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

You're correct, it is not federally illegal in the US. Most things aren't. Murder isn't, either. However, traveling across state lines with a prostitute has gotten people in trouble with the federal government before.

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