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Environmentalism and animals rights is a helluva no sell for you guys, isn’t it? The rejection of that value as fundamental to what needs to change caught me off guard, and is why I push back so hard to keep your flavor of leftism from becoming the dominant voice. I went rounds over in ML about this the other day, the idea that accepting non-human suffering/environmental destruction as a sad but acceptable consequence of human advancement so long as there’s “pledges and goals” for reducing it in the future is tolerable.
If we’re going to fight this fight let’s actually start fresh, not just make excuses for retaining the ugly parts of the system we destroyed because “humans are more important, we’ll get to that later”. Later never comes, there’s always a reason that can be found. Humans are important, but they’re not the only things living on this planet, most of them get a few decades of life, and there’s a lot more humans as well as other living things left to come after those of us here not are dead.
This is why I push people for their deeply held convictions about why they want the system they want. Slogans, laundry lists of unverifiable accomplishments, rehearsed talking points, the words of dead philosophers; none of that means shit. What’s it mean to them, the individual.
Get a job
Did you just whip out a boomer-era, poverty class disparaging insult? Your comment reeks of classism and capitalist arrogance. But thanks for being honest about your values in your response.
Lol nothing inherently capitalist about performing productive labor and you're definitely not contributing anything of value here
Doubling down, eh? Your implication that the value of a person is tied to productive labor is deeply capitalist. One can contribute to the betterment of the world without having a “job”; it’s called volunteering. Try contributing something of value without expecting compensation. Hell, try doing it even when doing so is a burden that expends personal energy without direct reward to yourself but makes existence better for something else.
Doubling down on being 100% right lol, there's no implication I'm stating plainly that you specifically are unemployed
No. You did not plainly state I was “unemployed”. Plainly stating “you are unemployed” would have been you stating, plainly, “you are unemployed”. You used “get a job”, a well established insult that insinuates the person you’re saying it to is unemployed (regardless of whether it is known if that person is employed or not), and connects human value to productivity through employment. That a person only has worth if they’re productive is the commodification of human existence. It’s the kind of shit libertarians use to mock the homeless. The fact that you would even consider using unemployment status as a means of insulting someone tells me everything I need to know about the quality of your character.
Run out of words to defend your idea that unemployment is a disgrace and that value is found in having a job? The wealth class loves it when the middle class regurgitates their work=value message and treats the poverty class like the punching bag the middle is for the elites. You are, without a doubt, the dumbest capitalist parrot cosplaying an internet tankie I have ever interacted with online.
Seek gainful employment
Employment is a relationship between two parties regulating the provision of paid labor services. Usually based on a contract, one party, the employer, which might be a corporation, a not-for-profit organization, a co-operative, or any other entity, pays the other, the employee, in return for carrying out assigned work. Employees work in return for wages, which can be paid on the basis of an hourly rate, by piecework or an annual salary, depending on the type of work an employee does, the prevailing conditions of the sector and the bargaining power between the parties.
Literally the foundation of capitalism you utter mook.
And that song you posted- “I got to go back to the house, hear that woman's mouth, preachin' and a cryin', tell me that I'm lyin' about a job”
Thought some boomer “my wife’s a nag” misogynist humor would strengthen your argument?
If you put this much effort into finding a job you'd have one by now
And if you put a quarter as much effort into educating yourself about the fundamentals ML as you do memeing, you’d know that a better line would have been “go contribute your labor to society”.
I had a feeling your idea of how a “job” works was rooted in the capitalist method, where a instead of labor an employee sells their labor-power to an employer and receives a wage as compensation, but using job/employment interchangeably confirmed it. You’re advocating for a system of designed dependence, where people sell their capacity to work and the employer extracts more value than they compensate for. Any equality between employer and worker is a deception.
But since memes seem to be your reading level:
You can go get that job now
Wages are the price of labor power. I will continue to live as I please and contribute my labor to causes and efforts I deem worthy of it.
Job