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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 31 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I think it's neat that Newton is taught first. As in: gravity is a function of mass. Because that works in so many scenarios.

But then you learn that gravity bends light and that photons have no mass.

So.... Gravity isn't a force, it's more like going downhill... in the dimension of time.

[–] spacehulk@lemmy.zip 5 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

If they have no mass, how do they push solar sails?

[–] ttayh@lemmy.zip 12 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

They have momentum, but not mass (ignore the other explanation, like yes, E=sqrt(m0^2 c^4 + (pc)^2), but so what? m0=0 for photons)

As you can see, momentum, p, is p=E/c, and we know that the energy for light is proportional to its frequency, f, E=hf (h is Plank's constant). So, p=hf/c. When light is absorbed by a material momentum (and energy) conservation apply and it imparts p onto the object. If light is reflected it imparts 2*p, showing this is left as an exercize to the reader

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world -4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

They have mass. Everything that has energy has mass. They don't have inertial mass but it's just part of the equation

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

They have momentum, not mass, in relativistic physics you need something more complex than p=mv to describe momentum.

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Energy=mass always. Theoretically you can make a black hole out of light, or you can turn that photon energy into inertial mass by running light in a closed loop.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

No lol, there's a momentum component to that equation which is just conveniently 0 for massive objects at rest, photons don't have a rest reference frame and are governed by E=pc.