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For a while now the transition away from Manifest V2 (MV2) to MV3 has been on-going and it looks like it is entering its final phase of deprecation, at least, in the case of Google Chrome. A recent discussion thread in the w3c WebExtensions Community Group GitHub repo has highlighted how the latest and upcoming versions of the most popular browser are expected to be its final releases with support for MV2 extensions.

What this essentially means is that the tricks and bypasses that were used to keep MV2 extensions like uBlock Origin and others alive will not work any more on Chrome, or at least not for very long. For example the Windows Registry mod that could extend MV2 availability will cease to function after Chromium version 151.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 179 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Oh look all the "chrome but in a different outfit" browsers are doing the same terrible shit? What a shocker, no one could have predicted that the many many things all on the same base where actuality just fake competition.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 1 points 10 hours ago

Illusion of choice

[–] SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean, on a technical level chromium isn't a terrible browser engine. Building your own engine from scratch is Extremely Hard™ and it's entirely possible to build a decent browser on top of it, so I can understand why most alternative projects have done just that.

It's just... google's control over chromium is concerning.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

And an ecosystem of one engine is not healthy. Even if google was not google, this is a massive risk to take for the Easy™ way.

[–] SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

It's not an ecosystem of one, though one is very dominant.

You can compare it to Linux. It's not the only Unix-like kernel, but it's similarly dominant. If you want to create a new distribution, it doesn't make any sense to spend a decade trying to write your own kernel rather than just using the Linux kernel (insert GNU Hurd jokes here).

Is that an unhealthy ecosystem then? I don't think it is.

What makes the chromium situation unhealthy is Google's ownership and control, not that it's the preferred engine for other browsers. I mean, even a company as large as Microsoft gave up trying to create their own engine.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 81 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Firefox has webserial support now. I no longer need anything chromium. Let them rot.

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 17 hours ago

“Coming soon…”

[–] JohnHammerSky@lemmy.today 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.net 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Communicating with external devices via USB or the old D-Sub connectors.

Printers, microcontrollers, instruments, etc... Directly instead of through the OS.

Notably, ESPHome Programmer uses it for flashing ESP32s wired. Other companies like Solo Motor Controllers use it for delivering a user GUI to customers that is always updated but that can switch between versions instantly for production without having to having to deal with window's broken method of having to manually search and download .exes for every program.

[–] nforminvasion@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I had to use Brave earlier this year to flash firmware onto a Meshtastic device. It's good to hear that Firefox has that option now.

[–] MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 6 points 1 day ago

never heard of it till now. neat!

[–] baner@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even grapheneOS use it for adb into your phone to flash the images.

[–] torlakur@szmer.info 13 points 1 day ago

webserial

they use WebUSB in GrapheneOS

[–] JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Really? Holy shit I can switch to zen fully at work and at home and uninstall chromium. Webserial was literally the only thing I needed

[–] tomjuggler@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

I heard about the web usb thing, it's also going to be a game changer for me (I haven't tried yet, hopefully it works)

[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 6 points 1 day ago

It does? Guess I can finally yeet Chromium from my machine then.

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[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

God it still pisses me off what they did to my boy Opera. All of us left when they diverted after v12. We all saw this coming.

Then Vivaldi came which I have tried in quite a while but it sucked. Firefox it is.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

I like Vivaldi except for two things: it uses the same engine as Chrome so facilitates Google's stranglehold on web standards, and it is closed-source. For functionality and design it's one of the best, but those are important downsides.

[–] tomjuggler@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Yeah opera used to be the one. I'm STILL pissed that they deleted all of my notes

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

Chrome is death to a browser, there is little reason to exist if google gets to make the big calls.

[–] reka@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

What about vivaldi sucked for you?

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They are all chrome with google scratched out and their name written in sharpie in its place.

Of course they are all doing it, cause they are all the same thing.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They don't even try to pretend to fight it.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

because theres no fighting google.

Microsoft tried, and google won, which is why Edge became a chrome reskin instead of what it was before.

[–] ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Yeah, but the worse they are the longer they live apparently.

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[–] MadPsyentist@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 day ago

Microsoft "tried" about as well as a quadraplegic "tries" free climbing

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The winning move is not to do business with them, don't compete just exist and pretend they don't exist. Microslop played the game and lost, but it is a stupid silly game.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

kinda hard to do when google holds the internet by the balls. and can twist at any moment to get what they want.

Microsoft and Mozilla employees have both accused them of doing this in the past, to sabotage non-chrome browsers on google services, to make chrome look better and drive users to chrome.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

News to me, Does google hold this site by the balls? They have a lot of power yes, but they are not some unsinkable boat.

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[–] fizzle@quokk.au 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All the FF forks are the same. Soft forks.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Pale Moon is not a soft fork.

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[–] andxz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's a damn shame, I've always liked Vivaldi otherwise. I've been dual running Vivaldi and Firefox for years now, Vivaldi for casual browsing and Firefox for more serious stuff + YouTube.

Oh well, it's time to do a full switch, I guess.

Kinda funny, I've been doing the exact same thing with Win/Linux for approximately the same length of time. Needed Win because of dome software that just doesn't work linux, and sadly, I still do.

Google and Microsoft can go fuck each other with a frozen cactus for all I care.

[–] kamen@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The folks at Vivaldi have been doing some work on their internal ad blocker, I think with the intention to bring most of the functionality of uBo internally so that it doesn't have to be an extension. Not sure how far along they are, but maybe they're intentionally keeping it quiet.

[–] reka@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Vivaldi have earned and deserve a lot of trust here I believe. All my chromium eggs sit in their basket.

[–] kamen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Same here. I'm an Opera refugee so to say (and I had high hopes for Opera actually). I've been using Vivaldi since its first public alpha/preview/whatever they were calling it.

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yup, Vivaldi user for 8 years and it hasn't let me down yet, but this post is troubling news.

[–] andxz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Aye, I'm just not sure how it's going to play out. One can hope, though. It's definitely one of the best options Chrome-wise either way.

[–] kamen@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm wondering what the decision making was when they were starting (which is now 10 years ago already, time flies, yo).

From today's perspective, a Firefox fork sounds way more logical. Back then maybe things with Blink/Chromium weren't looking so grim, maybe they were relying on the experience of that part of the team that moved over from Opera...

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

10 years ago Google was trusted and liked. The cracks were starting to show, but we're talking about the Google that was still open sourcing a lot of their products and loudly opposing government censorship of the internet.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah its a real surprise. :)