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    Not exactly as funny meme as I would like it to be, but I just found out about that feature after having to hold the power button due to a frozen system countless times, and I had to tell someone.

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    [–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Related and IMO a much better option for Linux desktops:

    Early OOM

    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    This is great! Why doesnt distros use this by default???

    Just put plasmashell and a few in there and you will have a working oom killer. Finally.

    I will install this the first thing tomorrow

    Wait... Fedora has this since quite a while, strange.

    [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Because if i'm rendering on blender on my lower end PC with expected freezes but it auto kills the render?

    [–] Brickardo@feddit.nl -5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Sounds like niche use cases

    [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Not niche there can be times when you want to run something heavy and it auto kills the exact thing you are trying to run. You have a 1gb ram device and it kills everything? Thats undesirable

    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Hm.... the process itself should not take that much RAM. I dont know if normally the OS should assign the max RAM to the program.

    But this should not happen and I wonder how "just letting it freeze" works

    [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    It makes system unresponsive, true. But its still running the main things, the render or decompressing or whatever. So it eventually unfreezes when it completes, by giving other programs(including GUI) back the CPU and ram.

    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Ok so killing is worse than just keeping alive.

    This is a fair point.

    I dont know a good solution for this, not killing but freezing is likely the best.

    I dont know

    [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago

    Preferences matter too. Some like their progrms to be killed. Some may want it to run anyway however possible

    [–] Brickardo@feddit.nl -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Your usual pal won't be running Blender, they're going to be stumbling their way through LibreOffice and a browser. Massive echo chamber right there.

    [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago

    Usual pal may tru run gta 3 on a potato though

    [–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

    We do not break userspace in this household young man.

    [–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Why doesnt distros use this by default???

    Nohang has some explanations to this.

    I.e. kernel devs are ignorant to the issue of oomkiller not working as intended on desktop.

    Edit: Lkml is down.

    [–] dan@upvote.au 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)
    [–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Wasn't oomd the facebook thing for complicated server setups?

    edit: yeah, for large data centers. Imho overengineered for single user desktop sessions. Earlyoom is simple and tiny.

    [–] marcos@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Just decrease your swap space.

    Unless you have an unusual system, there's no reason to have several GB of swap.

    [–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    that won't solve the system unresponsiveness

    [–] marcos@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Have you tried?

    Because it does.

    [–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    yes, even turning swap off entirely doesn't solve it. It doesn't take much to find people reporting a similar experience.

    [–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Better enable swap again. Linux expects swap.

    [–] vox@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago

    or fiddle with the vm/swappiness value

    [–] barsquid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Is hibernate no longer a thing? I thought that needed swap.

    [–] marcos@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

    Actually, not much.

    It always had reliability issues with bad hardware, and computers boot incredibly quickly nowadays. But yeah, it requires swap, and if you want it, there's a sibling answer here about sawppiness.

    [–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    ok... I'll ask.. where the heck is the "sysreq" key on my standard keyboard?

    [–] julianh@lemm.ee 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Should be the screenshot key

    [–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago

    so it is! and I tested it, of course, with alt-sys-b which instantly rebooted my machine. nice.

    [–] Midnight1938@reddthat.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
    [–] julianh@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

    Yeah, on my keyboard it's just an icon so I forgot the actual name lol

    [–] CarlosCheddar@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    How come sysreq + f is not on by default? After discovering and enabling it I haven’t had to hard restart due to hangs or crashes.

    [–] stepan@lemmy.cafe 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Debian has it by default I think. Arch has it disabled because it might be a security risk if someone had physical access to your computer.

    [–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago

    those debian daredevils like the thrill of living on the edge

    [–] toynbee@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring ... Or so I've heard.

    [–] stepan@lemmy.cafe 3 points 5 months ago

    That restarts the system. This only attempts to kill the app that uses most memory.