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[–] DankDuder@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Oh great, you pipsqueaks moved to lemmy? Fuck, you guys are annoying

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

It's simple: people pay for cars. Companies or states pay for trains. Liberals want people to give money to companies, so cars it will be.

[–] dnick@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because trains aren’t economically viable for the vast majority of the US, and where they are economically they are the topic of conversation.

As far as why the conversation would center around the US, that’s just the regular American-centric tilt english conversations generally lean towards. Most of Europe has their shit together in some topics like this (public transportation, for instance) and the US is a huge consumer of automobiles and no one if building mass transit between the middle of nowhere to the other middle of nowhere where we could ‘efficiently’ move individually insignificant numbers of people at a time.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Because people want a means to travel independently, as in they are in control and not riding with strangers.

/s

[–] pohui@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That is a luxury that should be severely limited. I hate screaming children on flights, but I don't want us to all start chartering private jets, even if somehow becomes affordable.

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[–] Calacus@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In Germany electric trains are standard for local public transportation.

[–] Thadrax@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Not everywhere. There are still enough lines that aren’t electrified so diesel locomotives have to be used.

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[–] rarely@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Public transit good, but in america public transit is not well funded and only really available in big cities. I think sadly it will be years before americans can give up the independence of being able to have transportation direct from point a to point b. Consider that in rural areas it could be a 30 minute drive to get groceries with no transit options. As long as americans are going to drive cars, we can at least try to make them electric vs ICE.

I will continue to vote for public transit initiatives and if we had a bus or train system in my town I would use it. I have a fuel efficient ICE car but trying to buy electric as soon as I can afford to buy something that isn't a telsa pile of crap.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The issue with this is that electric car batteries cause lots of damage to the environment in their production. Manufacturing any new car is environmentally destructive. You may want to reconsider buying a new car if it's just for environmental reasons as you may be doing more harm than good.

If you can convert it to run on biofuel that's potentially a better option. This is easier if it's a diesel vehicle and diesel engines are inherently more efficient to begin with. The reason environmentalists don't like them is to do with nitrous oxides and carbon particles rather than carbon dioxide emissions.

[–] rarely@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

This is true of our modern age and is something we need to address in battery technology. There are already some alternatives to LiPO (lithium) although theh have their draw backs as well as their strengths. This post is about electric trains, which require similar batteries to electric cars. All ICE vehicles require a battery and typically lead-acid is used, which although possible to recycle can have a significant environmental impact if it makes its way to the landfill.

I am not sure how easy it would be to convert a non-diesel engine to a biodiesel engine, and I have a non-diesel engine. The reasons you say environmentalists don't like biodiesel seem relevant although I can't weigh the environmental impact of those chemicals. CO2 is a great thing for plants, not really for humans, mammals and climate. Kids love nitrous at parties.. idk.

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[–] wanderingmagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because places like America are so spread out (by design) that rail networks, especially in the Great Plains and Southwest, are viewed as impractical unless all of their population moved to cities or towns in close proximity to rail lines, and Americans tend to take up a large chunk of the bandwidth.

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[–] OrbitalHorizon@reddthat.com 0 points 2 years ago

Public transportation in America is typically a magnet for crime.

I’ll take a hard pass on being trapped in a tube with my assailants.

[–] UhBell@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You ever try taking your new mattress and bed frame on a train?

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, I would just have it delivered like a normal person would

[–] UhBell@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If you have the luxury of living somewhere that offers delivery, sure.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

80% of the population or more live in an area urban enough to receive deliveries of furniture.

[–] UhBell@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thanks for proving my point?

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m not sure what point you think I proved. Something that is true for the vast majority of people isn’t a “luxury”.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I am all for more public transportation in this country, but it wouldn't help me personally. I live outside of city limits- the closest bus line is two miles away. My work is even further outside city limits, a 10-minute drive south of me down a four-lane highway, past farm fields and into an industrial park.

There's just no way public transportation is going to help me there. And even if I didn't have to do it down a highway, there's no way I'm riding a bike there in the middle of winter.

So do please make public transport more available and expansive. Just know that it still won't be a universal solution. Individual transport is needed by some of us.

I plan to get an electric (not a Tesla) for my next car. I currently drive a hybrid.

[–] x3n0s@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Especially since so many US cities are designed around cars.

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[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Because they give people a lot more freedom than trains


if you own a car. If you don't own a car but live in a society where everybody else has one you are kinda screwed.

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[–] Pixlbabble@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

Big Auto has been destroying any idea of high speed rails for decades. Our trains are complete trash because of car lobbyists.

[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm all in favour of trains. I only take the train to work, and it's so convenient I even take my kids to the city via train, to entertainment or shopping. However, even though I live inside the capital city in a Western European country, the train we take is powered by diesel. The government has been talking about electrifying the track for years, and the current estimate is that it will take another decade or more to get it done. There's a single electrified rail line in the entire country, and based on the electrification progress it will take several decades to electrify the rest (if ever). Based on this experience, I'd venture to say that electric cars are far easier to deploy than electrify train lines.

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[–] 18107@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I have an electric car because I refuse to pay any more money to fossil fuel companies but still need to drive. I use public transport where possible, but many trips just aren't viable.

It takes me 30 minutes to walk to the nearest shopping centre, but 2 hours to get there by public transport, or 5 minutes by car.

As an average citizen, I don't have the means to build or fund new railway lines. I am, however, lucky enough to be able to refuse to drive fossil fueled vehicles and still survive.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sounds like a classic example of poorly designed transit. Well designed transit is often faster than driving and should certainly be faster than walking unless your destination is not frequently visited by many people.

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

Can you point to any examples of "well designed transit"? In my head, I can only see transit being faster than a car if it's in a densely populated city with small roads and dedicated transit lanes (be it a bus or a train). I don't know if that describes most of the places people live in the US.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Electric cars don't solve a lot of the root problems of cars. They still require massive amounts of energy to move thousands of pounds of steel. They also still rely on sprawling roads and parking lots.

[–] Crucible_Fodder@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago

energy is a non-issue

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