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[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 89 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The children yearn for the mines

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 23 points 4 months ago

Builds character and healths issues

[–] folkrav@lemmy.ca 48 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Too young for the concept of doing work in exchange for something? No, I don’t think so. There’s no minimum age to learn how to do something, for the most part, if the interest is there.

However, those lower-wage jobs tend to be where a lot of the worker rights abuse tends to happen, and I absolutely think it’s way too young for them to realize if/when it’s happening, or to be in a position to properly defend themselves if they do. Sure, parental guidance and all, but let’s say my experience working with all kinds of parents in day camps, as a ski instructor and in elementary schools, didn’t make me very optimistic about a lot of them really being in a position to protect their children at work.

I’ve also honestly yet to really see it happening where it has 0 impact on their schooling, but that’s rather anecdotal…

[–] Icalasari@fedia.io 8 points 4 months ago

Plus it is going to most affect families too poor to speak up and children of abusive parents who would force them to work

[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 41 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Is 13 to young to work? Is 65 too early to retire? Are you spending too much time on hobbies?

I want to leave this planet.

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[–] Bongo_Stryker@lemmy.ca 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Should vulnerable members of our society be exploited?

[–] Ransack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 months ago

The vulnerable are already being exploited. Now they're thinking about the children.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I started working full time during the summer the year I turned 13. I was working for my family's company and my safety was always the most important thing.

In the current environment of the exploration of workers I feel that it is unacceptable for children to work for any company other than a family company or a small company that will not exploit them and that will protect them.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 18 points 4 months ago (23 children)

a small company that will not exploit them and that will protect them.

Cute that you believe this

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Small companies vary widely in their morals. The best ones might indeed protect and teach, rather than exploit, a young worker. The worst ones . . . are worse than any large company, and you can't always tell from outside which type you've got. And family companies can be just as bad as any other small company, alas.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 2 points 4 months ago

I am sure some employees of mega corps also happy with their treatment too

The point being is that it is an exception to the general savagery of "legal persons"

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[–] snooggums@midwest.social 15 points 4 months ago

Agreed in pricipal because family businesses are frequently how knowledge is passed from generation to generation, but family and small businesses can also exploit and not protect children and still need oversight on safety.

[–] mister_newbie@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Keep that US bullshit out of this country!

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Keep that US bullshit out of this country!

You may need to understand the American influence that caused the backlash among the WestJet mechanics with their strike, this week.

[–] mister_newbie@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

I'm fully aware of the backlash. It's DISGUSTING. Scabs should be run out of town and forced to live destitute.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

This seems too nuanced for a simple Google search. Can you please explain. Any links would be appreciated.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

~~"Are 13 year olds too young to exploit monetarily?"~~

"Are 13 year olds too young to take on the glorious privilege of earning their own money?"

Hey look, it's propaganda in action, right there on the CBC.

[–] OttoVonNoob@lemmy.ca 19 points 4 months ago

left: Are they allowed to vote then?

Right: hell no!!!

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

~~“Are 13 year olds too young to exploit monetarily?”~~

Is 13 too young to work? A Saskatchewan proposal has reignited debate around kids and labour

Was it hard to quote the actual headline or is it a matter of making the narrative you are attempting to push stronger?

Reading the article helps as well.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

Remember, it's only bad when "The Media" does it.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

"labour shortage"

When adults are sick and tired of being paid peanuts to work a back breaking 40 to 50 hour job.

Corporations: So why not look to children who are too inexperienced to understand how much their labour is really worth...?

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 months ago

How about having a controversial debate about how much companies, corporations and business owners should pay employees in any job in order to make it so that everyone is capable of paying to keep themselves alive, fulfilled and happy.

[–] alienanimals@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

Billionaires don't work. Why should children?

Let kids focus on their studies. We need a better educated population, not one where people are trained to work mindless jobs where corporations pay you the least amount possible.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago

We need a better educated populated

Conservative politics don't poll well with educated people. An educated population is the very last thing Shmoe needs

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[–] sunzu@kbin.run 16 points 4 months ago

Look guys Canada is doing America again

Why would these little turds NOT make daddy some mother fucking money tho?

[–] PenguinTD@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

okay, let me ask the real question:

  • do they also get paid at the same standard(minimum wage, benefit, etc) like other worker?
  • do they also get CPP/EI contribution from employer? And can they take EI benefit when laid off?
  • do they also get to contribute to RRSP/TFSA? TFSA is after 18 currently, so they can't even save their wage compare to other adult workers.
  • when they do perform well, will they get evaluated and promoted the same way? ie, a 15 yo manager at fast food chain and paid the same wage as a manager.
[–] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I started working at 14 (in Ontario). For my first job:

  • No, there is a "student wage" that is less than minimum wage
  • EI yes, CPP no
  • No
  • Only if there are promotions available at the part-time level (my "promotion" increased my pay by $0.50)

After 2 years of working there, I got a $0.05 raise. Yes, 5 cents. The biggest increase in my pay came when the minimum wage was increased in Ontario, which also increased the student wage.

[–] PenguinTD@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

Exactly, without proper protection and equality for same performance/quality of work, it's just pure exploitation.

[–] dankm@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Since this post is about Saskatchewan, I'll add that Saskatchewan doesn't have a student wage, just one minimum wage.

It also happens to be about $1.20 less than Ontario's student wage. I like my province, but man does it have its issues.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Schooling is mandatory until 18. Any other activity has to not interfere with that. Beyond that, do what ye will.

[–] ag_roberston_author@beehaw.org 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I agree with your point about teenagers work interfering with their schooling, but that's not quite correct about the mandatory age.

It's only mandatory to 18 in New Brunswick and 17 in Manitoba.

In the rest of Canada the age is 15 to 16. (16 in Saskatchewan.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100214200211/http://www.educationau-incanada.ca/index.aspx?action=educationsystem-systemeeducation&lang=eng

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

I went with this page:

Canada’s provincial and territorial governments are responsible for education. They follow government standards to ensure high quality public education across the country. School is mandatory for children from about the age of six years old to 18 years old. Our study environments are safe and welcoming.

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago

In MB, it's either until you graduate or you turn 18.

https://www.edu.gov.mb.ca/k12/schools/gts.html

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 months ago

C'mon! Those are rookie numbers! Look at these kids living their best life and getting the best experiences; not a screen in sight!

https://www.eatstayplaybeaufort.com/youve-probably-seen-this-photo-but-do-you-know-the-story-behind-it/

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

50+ years ago when I was 12, I got my first job at an ice cream/burger stand making 0.75 cents per hour. The only downside was my creepy old boss who took great joy in pinching my non-existent breasts and child-sized ass.

2 yrs later I started working at the local pizza joint (legal age to work was 14 back then).

The real problem these days is owners who would abuse the privilege of having kids work for them. I mean you just know that's gonna happen, esp under Shmoe's 'leadership'.

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[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I delivered the newspaper when I was 13. Is that such an alien idea? I used the money to buy my first computer.

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[–] dojan@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

At this rate society isn’t worth preserving.

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