A place to discuss and support all things Steam Deck.
Replacement for r/steamdeck_linux.
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Windows on a handheld is just bad. It's that simple. A Steam Deck competitor needs a handheld friendly controller focused interface that is at least as good as Valve's. Our just straight up ship with Steam OS and use Valve's.
SteamOS still has many instances of awkward UX and some frankly broken behavior, especially while trying to use community features, it's just that every other offering has been worse.
It's heavily rumored that Microsoft is working on their own handheld, and it will be interesting to see how that shakes up the market. If microsoft just makes windows controller/handheld friendly, it will greatly improve all the windows handhelds.
However I strongly suspect that we'll instead see the microsoft handheld be locked down, only able to run microsoft store games. It'll still probably do better than all the other non-deck handhelds that way, but won't really be a handheld "PC" if locked down that way.
Third possibility is that Microsoft might do both, release and locked down handheld and release some lesser improvements for navigating windows with a controller. This outcome would make sense if they have different teams working on both at the same time.
If microsoft would release a gaming handheld, it would probably be locked down like the xbox console.
If MS or Google does it, it'll be dropped in 3 to 5 years, 10 at the max.
Despite how good the steam deck is, any competition is good. With MS hardware track record I don't have the highest hopes, but again: any competition is good.
Considering Microsoft is dropping support for Windows Mixed Reality devices with Windows 11 24H2, effectively sending millions of otherwise perfectly fine VR headsets to landfill with no recourse. I can see them releasing a handheld with a "custom" version of Windows that allows users to install Steam, GOG, Epic, etc... then bait and switch with a future "feature update" that makes compatibility "too hard" to support or a "security risk". Maybe the desktop mode is a "developer only" option that gets disabled, or you have to enable third party apps like in windows 10 S and that ability gets taken away. I wouldn't put it past Microsoft.
Maybe I'm just peeved at Microsoft for deciding that my VR headset will be E-waste even though the hardware is fine, or ignoring the concept of user consent by enabling OneDrive cloud backups for local folders by default while basically forcing you to create a Microsoft account to install Windows if you don't know the right sequence of arcane f-ing rituals to create a local account. But I don't trust them...
Don't get me going on the way the soft keyboard doesn't always work or that you can't use the thumb sticks when you have it up. I'm here to enjoy the Steam Deck gangbang but sometimes you get a random dick in a place you weren't expecting it.
I'm sure Microsoft's answer will be an Edge-powered handheld interface with the entire W11 OS underneath.
It's really funny to see how out of touch those companies are with the portable consoles. They clearly don't understand what makes the Steam Deck a good console. They focus on the hardware specs and that's it, minimal work on the software side (ROG Ally is at least trying). Valve nailed it with the Steam Deck in various aspects: hardware is good, CAD files are available so it's highly customizable, but the cherry on top is the software integration, it is amazing and it's always improving. IMHO software is the real reason for Deck's success (OS, Proton, compatibility badges, etc).
I bought it specifically because it directly and indirectly supports the Linux community at large. I'm now working on moving away from Windows for gaming, because they've made it possible with what they've done with tools like Proton and gamescope.
Me too :) I'm gaming exclusively on Linux for more than 5 years now. The Steam Deck was a blessing for this already amazing Linux gaming ecosystem, so I had to buy one (actually two now, I really wanted the OLED version 😁)
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This is so true. Some vendors try with larger screens, 120 hz and other stuff, but the steam deck is loved most for its software.
Yep. I mean, better hardware specs are a really good thing, but that alone does not make me want to buy a device.
I agree it is just silly and it really shows how far up their own ass a lot of high power business people are, they have no idea what the hell they are doing. The place to compete with steam is the slickness and polish of the software not the raw power of the hardware, that is the stupidest basket to put all your eggs in here as a steam deck competitor.
I think it speaks to a much bigger dysfunction in the video game hardware and software development world, people that get their dream job at a AAA game studio or hardware maker like ROG I think end up developing and testing with dream hardware setups and then totally lose sight of the importance of developing games and hardware that prioritizes accessibility in a cost sense but also in a usability sense.
I think these people pick up a steam deck, try to play Elden Ring at max settings, think "this is intolerably bad performance and graphics compared to my $3000 gaming rig, no one will play this" and don't realize the kind of betrayal that represents to the rest of us who can't afford much more than a steamdeck anyways, and have always gamed this way mainly focusing on indie games and extremely crunchy minimal graphics strategy games and playing a cool Battlefield 2 mod like Forgotten Hope 2 while we look at the latest battlefield and think "how much time could they have spent making that game good instead of making it graphically impressive for people that can afford $3000 gaming computer?".
The hardware vendors treat their products as small gaming pc with a controller, unlike steam.
The fact that it is a open linux device and I can launch in to KDE is the reason I got it. If it was some proprietary OS like other games consoles or Windows, I wouldn’t have bought it. The Steam Deck is such a breath of fresh air compared to how hostile other consumer electronics have become.
Steam deck feels like a product people at Valve would use while the competition is making products they think would sell well. Turns out the product that feels good to use is much better than the product that looks better on paper.
NONE of them have touchpads either. I dont understand why these high end computer companies are trying to sell a laptop that doesnt have even a single touchpad
Steam deck 2.
Or heck, even 2 Steam Decks!
Something might but it has to meet a bunch of criteria. A lot of these handheld have flaws or drawbacks and none of them are perfect:
Most handhelds I see meet a bunch of those but not all of them.
Nope.
The big thing is that the Deck uses Linux which allows Steam to provide an amazing interface.
All the "competition" still tries to use Windows, and the experience is appalling.
The big thing is that the Deck uses Linux which allows Steam to provide an amazing interface
For most people, i think it's just that it has a good UI. They don't bother whether it's linux-powered. Maybe it's possible to create a good UI in windows as well, but it will be bogged down by 100s of unwanted processes.
No, Microsoft don't allow it. As part of the distribution licence you are not allowed to customise the OOB interface.
People don't know it's Linux, but it's absolutely because of Linux that it works.
Talk about digging one's own grave.
Absolutely. But they want everyone to know they are using Windows, which if there was a custom shell then they wouldn't.
They have >95% of the market, they don't care about making a good interface for TVs as they already lost it to Android, and they don't care about making a good gaming interface as they already have XBox.
Windows users are an inconvenience, that they want to milk.
So much good hardware, but lazy obsession to enshittify them with Windows.
Some of that reflects poorly on the hardware too. With a few exceptions, they've shipped a mouse-based operating system on hardware that lacks a good way to control a mouse. If they know that the hardware is running windows ahead of time, wouldn't it make sense to give users some good options for using windows?
There's also more obvious hardware issues like the ROG Ally burning up MicroSD cards.
So much good hardware, but lazy obsession to enshittify them with Windows.
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It would have to be game changing! Get it?!? “Game” changing?!? Ah, whatever.
Awful puns aside, it really would have to be a major step up in hardware. The Steam Deck is a platform developers (plus accessory makers and open source devs for emulators and stuff) seem to care about. Even modern AAA game devs will often try to make their games playable on it even if they have to compromise. (It may not be technically possible or economically feasible but devs seem to all want to support the Deck even if their bosses have other plans.)
At some point, it’ll be impossible for the Deck’s hardware to handle recent games and then we’ll all upgrade to something that sets a new baseline and strikes a better balance — whether Steam Deck 2 or a competitor. But my guess is that it’s going to be more about hardware generations than something Microsoft does. (Proton might be nearly perfect by the time Microsoft makes a decent controller interface and they seem to be focused on shoehorning AI into Notepad and Paint instead of doing useful things.)
I'm all for competition and they are getting better but they just miss the mark. While some of them are faster than the Steam deck, their frame rate lows and averages don't get close to how stable it can be. Plus the touch pads, joy stick functions, 4 rear buttons. It's everything you need and the price is better than theirs. I had the original LED since launch and have since upgraded to the OLED model and it was absolutely worth it. The improvements they made to the touchpads, reduced weight and a gorgeous screen are fantastic.
It baffles me how people get the ROG Ally over it. Maybe because they hear that some games may not run on Linux? Those are usually competitive FPS' that I wouldn't want to play on a handheld anyway and if you really wanted to you could just install Windows 10/11 onto a MicroSD and boot to Windows.
I got the ROG Ally over it because Bazzite feels mature enough to compete, I like the smaller footprint and higher resolution, but above all because the ROG Ally has a shit 2nd hand market and I could scoop one up for $300
Ah, buying it used also prevents having to rely on ASUS for dealing with a warranty when it breaks. This is smart since ASUS will screw you over the first chance they get.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
While other vendors continually push out new handheld pc models, sticking similar internals into different shell designs and gradually bumping up RAM or the Processor, the Steam Deck just keeps selling like hot tasty cakes.
There's multiple other devices out there now that are in a few ways more powerful than the Steam Deck, but that hasn't seemed to matter a whole lot to Valve.
Especially since the release of the Steam Deck OLED, which was a pretty huge upgrade, it's constantly a global top seller for Valve.
When compared with other vendors like GPD, AYANEO, ASUS and all the others, Valve of course have the Steam store to back it up.
Other vendors don't really have anything like that, so Valve are in a more unique position to stick to one main model.
You only have to look at the new built-in Game Recording feature to see, and the upcoming SteamOS 3.6 that recently moved from Preview to Beta that again brings in some big additions.
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This is an entirely different segment of gaming but recently I have been reaching more for my AYN Odin 2 Pro. I love the size and battery life and how I feel like I can pick it up and jump into a game quickly.
Android isn't perfect and emulation is in a funny spot right now with the switch emulators pivoting what feels like every few weeks, but it's an incredible device.
That said, the Deck is quite a bit more capable with a higher quality library of games. Valve killed it with the Deck and the Odin is not nearly a full replacement.
I think sometime in the next few years an ARM based portable gaming PC could challenge the Steam Deck. ARM is a more efficient architecture, so it could have significantly more battery life, the only hurdle is getting x86 emulation performant enough.