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I get it, Biden is old and that's a problem, but why doesn't anyone seem to have a problem with the fact that Trump is almost the same age, has 34 felonies, raped at least 2 women, went to Epstein's Island 11 times, sexualized his own daughter, stole classified documents, aligned himself with Xi and Putin, and can't remember common names?

Is all of that really better than being 2½ years older than he is right now?

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[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 284 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Republican candidates aren't held to the same standards because Republican voters don't care (or they actually like it).

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 5 months ago

Republican candidates aren't held to the same standards because Republican voters are absolute morons

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[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 129 points 5 months ago (4 children)

His base are enthusiastically slobbering on his c**k, and most prominent politicians for the gqp seem to be lining up to holster it when his base are done. Not to mention the supreme ~~crunchwrap~~ court are in love with him too.

[–] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 101 points 5 months ago (5 children)

You can say cock on the Internet. No one will tell on you.

[–] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 36 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

That's it, I'm reporting you.

/s just in case

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[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Someone knows their cock rights.

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[–] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 106 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I’m calling on trump to commit suicide for the good of our country.

[–] occhionaut@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

personally extending that to a fat majority of republicans

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 95 points 5 months ago (14 children)

Most of the people who think Trump should drop out have been loudly opposing him for a long time. There isn't just one single thing they object to, no great unifying theme they can point at and say "This is why he should not run," because Everything about him is a reason why he should absolutely not be president. Even his Felony conviction is, while perhaps more than a drop, just a splash in the bucket of what should be utterly career ending circumstances.

The people who still support Trump don't care about any of that. They're not going to suddenly see one particular turn-off and decide that's it, that's why Trump should back out. They're committed, in too deep, they can't back down now because it would mean the Libs were actually right all along, and that presents, to them, an existential threat. And in the end, it's the Republican way.

When Democrats, even popular ones, fuck up, other Democrats are much more likely to turn on them, to call for and get resignations. With Republicans, that's almost unheard of. Republicans take Part Unity to an extreme, circling the wagons and assuming a full defensive position no matter how incredibly abhorrent the crime, no matter how blatant the evidence. Today we're seeing the perfect example. Biden fucked up a debate, stumbling over his own words like an old man well past his prime, and the party is calling for him to step down. Trump has built his whole political career on stumbling over his own words, with the only cogent statements he manages being blatant lies, and his people would rather murder their neighbors than see him lose.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 86 points 5 months ago (2 children)

you think rape and pedophilia are going to turn off republicans?

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[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (15 children)
  1. Most people who want him to drop out were never going to vote for him anyway.

  2. People (perhaps erroneously) perceive a chance of Biden actually doing it. Trump will never drop out as winning the presidency is his only shot at avoiding incarceration. He'll probably run again in 2028 if he's still around by then.

  3. Trump isn't incumbent, meaning the GOP already had a full primary in the past year. They've already determined they don't have a better alternative. Technically the Dems could have nominated someone other than Biden, but it was never a very likely possibility, so people aren't as familiar with Democratic alternatives.

  4. Republicans either don't believe any of the criticisms you made of Trump are true, are okay with them, still believe him to be the lesser of two evils, or some combination of these. This is largely due to right-wing propaganda e.g. Fox News, OAN, Info Wars, etc.

I'm no expert, these are just what I perceive to be happening. There's probably other factors at play as well.

Edit: with the recent supreme court rulings, I'm guessing that he may be able to avoid jail even if he doesn't win. I still don't see any chance he'll drop out.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 56 points 5 months ago

If a democrat fucks up, that's big news because they're supposed to have their shit together and act in the best interest of all of us.

If a republican fucks up, that's expected. Any articles about that are like 'water is wet'. It's not informative because we all know, even the conservatives who vote for them, that they're in it for themselves and are out to get everyone else.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 48 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Perhaps you missed the last almost 4 years where people were doing precisely that. There was this whole thing with Ron Desantis, and Nikki Haley, and the brainworms inside of JFK, Jr., etc. It didn't work, and his base chose Trump, if not unanimously then close enough to it, and also far back enough in the past for such a call to not be relevant anymore. Plus conservatives are just different kinds of people - for them, power is not bestowed upon someone by We The People, but ripped out of the people's hands by force of will. Might does make Right after all, in their playbook.

But Dems are not choosing Biden. Also, no primaries are being held. So asking him to drop out is the last hope before holding your nose and voting for him anyway, hoping against hope that just like for Hillary, others do as well (although in that case... well, I'm sure this time will be different. Why am I sure? Bc... shut up, that's why!:-P /s).

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[–] MerrySkeptic@sh.itjust.works 48 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The truth is that Trump has done more for conservative causes than any president prior. He installed the far right justices that have toppled Roe v Wade and affirmative action. He enacted things like the Muslim travel bans. In short, either they know he's a scumbag and don't care because he gets results, or they don't believe their own lyin' eyes because look at the results he produces. It's all about the bottom line, and the ends justify the means.

[–] skulkingaround@sh.itjust.works 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

For the voters, they really don't believe it. I have conservative family members. Everything is always "Oh that's just bullshit cooked up by the crooked Biden crime family" "Oh he didn't mean the words he said very clearly, what he really meant was blah blah blah" followed ten seconds later by "I like him because he tells it like it is"

I just don't get it. What makes this guy seemingly have a force field that can make people deny their own eyes and ears? Ignoring morals here, just thinking with those patterns would give me a cognitive dissonance aneurysm.

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago (15 children)

Closeted socialist here. I work in an extremely remote 24/7 process industry. They play Newsmax on the TVs in the chow hall and the only time they don't is when they are replacing tvs. EVERYONE here is a degree of an alt righter. Some were at J6. Some have "Alex Jones was right" on their thermos'. I honestly believe some would kill me if I said I've read Marx. Not a single one of them could accurately define a political, economic, or social system without distracting with tropes, jingoistic rhetoric, or whataboutisms. Academic education is brainwashing. Christianity is a brand-name but you don't have to read the Bible to be a christian. I made the mistake of expressing my disappointment of Trump because of what he has said about veterans. I was mocked for believing propaganda and over time I have become known as "the liberal". That was all it took.

It's frustrating, and I daily struggle with unchecked bigotry. But most people here do not wake up and choose to be racist or evil. They are doing what their wildly misled moral compass is telling them to be righteous. In their eyes, the pandering of the media that we see is absolute and total corruption to them. The media does lie, they have lied. Most of them couch it In ignorance and a whispered redaction, but that's all it took. If they can lie about anything, then they must be lying about the unflattering things. There's a bit of head-in-the-sand and delusion, but in their eyes the rape, the lawsuits, the theft from taxpayers, all of it is exactly what they would say if they were trying to make him look bad. That's enough for them.

I honestly don't blame them. They have fallen for grifts, lies, and propaganda that goes back at least 200 years.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 40 points 5 months ago (8 children)

"Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line."

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 39 points 5 months ago

The illegitimate SCOTUS failed to rule on his 14th Amendment disqualification because they don't care about The Constitution. The fact that he is even a candidate shows how many republicans wipe their asses with the document.

[–] Atin@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago

Because his supporters support him to "fuck the liberals" they don't care that trailer trash will get fucked harder under trump

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago (17 children)

Because Trump is winning in the polls handily and has robust support from his base.

Biden is the opposite: he's losing in the polls, his disapproval numbers are the highest in the history of modern polling, and many of the people that will vote for him will do it only because they have to.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Trump supporters have to as well but for different reasons. If they don't drink the Kool-aid and play along socially they are ostracized. Which doesn't help anyone.

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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago (7 children)

The American people called for him to dropout in 2020. He didn't listen.

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[–] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

People that want to stay free must learn to vote for the most viable candidate, whether they like them or not. Republicans know the left actually value proper behaviour and consistency from their candidates, so the left is vulnerable to this kind of attack. The republicans don't care what you say about their candidate, they just want to win. But especially they want you to lose.

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[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 28 points 5 months ago (6 children)

The people calling for Biden to drop out are completely different from the people who want Trump to stay in the race.

Democrats want Biden to drop out because they don't believe he can beat Trump.

Republicans want Trump to stay on the ticket because they're pretty sure he'll crush Biden .

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago

Because we don't expect him to have any shame or decency.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Trump controls a cult, that's why.

Cult leaders can get their followers to do anything and the followers will forgive the leader for anything, including felonies. They will dismiss any criticism of the leader as lies or made up to hurt the leader politically. No matter how true the criticism might be.

At the end of the day, it's very much like the relationship between religious worshippers and their god.

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[–] BaldManGoomba@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Firstly, foreign nations interfering with our country wants chaos. Trump is chaos but they will latch onto anything to sew discord and craziness.

Second the Republicans don't care they are voting for Trump period or against democrats period there is little to change their mind. Conservatives don't have to do something to win they have to hold every one and anything back.

Thirdly, the left is critical thinkers who are trying for better so there is always dissent or people criticizing/arguing the best way to do a thing causing lots of bad will. Doesn't help we don't have a left party and have a middle party always trying to court to the right.

Lastly, there is tons of could been better should have done better. Democrats and DnC sucks. They have a bunch of old fogeys holding onto power and their donors want people who won't change things to much. Doesn't help the corpos where use to having zero lights shined on them under Trump and they can do whatever. Where as even if most of it was toothless Biden actually did a little bit and said a few things that upset the corps

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[–] OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (6 children)

The only people I see calling for Biden to drop out are the media news companies.

It’s basically a fake controversy. They benefit massively from stirring the pot so people tune in to “see what’s going to happen”.

Reality is if Biden were going to drop out, he’d already have done it.

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[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

Don’t forget Kim Jong Un. “Beautiful” letters.

[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (15 children)

Lots of people have a problem with Trump. All the more reason to want someone opposing him who can beat him.

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[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

If he had any decency or moral, Trump should have stepped down himself.

Also, kindly remind everyone with a vagina and everyone who cares about someone with one: This year's presidential election is about abortion access. Roe vs Wade was repealed by extremist MAGA judges appointed by Trump.

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 20 points 5 months ago (5 children)

everyone is kind of giving snarky answers with a couple helpful tidbits in between but the true answer is:

trump is polling well. current polling indicates that trump is doing good enough at what is expected of him, which at the moment is simply running a campaign that will beat the democratic candidate.

people only really start calling for dropping out en masse when polls start to significantly falter because it’s an indication that the candidate is no longer running a competitive campaign.

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[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (10 children)

No one is asking him to drop out because they aren't afraid he's going to lose. Simple as that.

Everyone with their panties in a twist right now could have done something about it during the primaries, but apparently protest votes about Israeli atrocities were the priority.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago (12 children)

One party has principles, arguably too much in some sense.

The other either just voting for them because they love tradition so much they need to vote someone conservative, just want less taxes, or outright just evil and want to see the suffering of their fellow human beings if those happen to belong to the wrong group.

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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 17 points 5 months ago

Horse Race reporting, it's literally all the mainstream has to say people are concerned about because his performance actually holds up when you check the stats.

But if you dare say that people are literally being manipulated into thinking he's worse than he is you're "not understanding the median voter's struggles"

We need to force the sale of news corporations to the journalists so this profit maxxing bothsidesifying shit can go the way of the dodo.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 16 points 5 months ago

People do, you call them Biden supporters and dismiss them because “they wouldn’t vote for Trump anyway”

Or you say Trump is the reincarnation of Jesus and it’s all lies created by the devil

[–] revelrous@sopuli.xyz 16 points 5 months ago

Consolidation of US media. Billionaires will burn the world down rather than cede an inch, and it's their narratives that get amplified.

[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Because we know he won’t. It’s pointless. They both need to just fucking die.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 15 points 5 months ago

Because people have a slight sliver of hope that Biden might listen to them.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (11 children)

I call for him to drop out......of a boeing.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 14 points 5 months ago

Because they don't have anybody else who can pull in his vote share.

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 14 points 5 months ago (18 children)

Because, realistically, he won't listen.

Biden won't either, because he's already proved he can win this race and you don't retire a winning horse.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 29 points 5 months ago (19 children)

I keep seeing this sentiment, and it boggles me. Last season's winning horse just debuted this season with a huge limp, and the response from some people has been "it's fine, stop panicking, we'll win if we just keep betting on it."

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[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

because 50% of americans are facists?

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Correction, 50% of VOTING Americans are fascist. It's the only thing that keeps me going.

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