this post was submitted on 19 Jul 2024
62 points (100.0% liked)

Technology

37719 readers
270 users here now

A nice place to discuss rumors, happenings, innovations, and challenges in the technology sphere. We also welcome discussions on the intersections of technology and society. If it’s technological news or discussion of technology, it probably belongs here.

Remember the overriding ethos on Beehaw: Be(e) Nice. Each user you encounter here is a person, and should be treated with kindness (even if they’re wrong, or use a Linux distro you don’t like). Personal attacks will not be tolerated.

Subcommunities on Beehaw:


This community's icon was made by Aaron Schneider, under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
all 17 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Microsoft is an insecure monopolistic grift. Hopefully it takes down capitalism with it.

[–] CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't disagree, but today the blame lies with CrowdStrike, not Windows. As much as I hate defending Windows.

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I've seen a weird number of people blaming Microsoft for this today, and an even weirder number of people making fun of people saying this isn't on Microsoft

[–] mobius_slip@beehaw.org 4 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Microsoft chose to work with these people and accepted their faulty input. How is it not Microsoft's fault?

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It’s what happens when you put too many eggs in one basket. You see a similar house of cards when you look at package managers in the software dev space. Single point of failure.

The reality though is that Windows computers not running the CrowdStrike agent were not affected. This one falls on CS, but there is a much larger problem at play. Also, auto-updates are a plague, especially on a kernel level. That’s just insanity.

[–] IrritableOcelot@beehaw.org 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah the issue is that so many companies were at the intersection of two monopolies -- either one failing has catastrophic effects, and there's no backup plan.

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A backup plan probably involves using some other company/service that can suffer the same fate 😭

[–] IrritableOcelot@beehaw.org 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I mean any technology solution can suffer the same fate, but you would hope that it wouldnt be an issue at the same time if they're separate tech stacks.

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The real solution is to not make anything that’s mission-critical reliant on Windows.

[–] IrritableOcelot@beehaw.org 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Specifically to make something which is not mission-critical reliant on any underlying software...but that's almost impossible. Not reliant on the base operating system would be a nice start.

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 1 points 3 months ago

I have friends still dealing with all kinds of airline troubles (basically stuck in cities for a week past their return date) and I can’t believe anyone would have so many mission-critical systems using Windows. Their infrastructure must be a mess.

[–] Yoruio@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If you had a Samsung fridge, and you willingly put a bomb in the fridge, would you blame Samsung when your fridge explodes?

Microsoft gives you the freedom to install software that runs with the same level of privilege as the kernel itself. You're the one that chose to install defective software, and then give it kernel level permissions. You put a bomb in your computer and now you're blaming Microsoft after the bomb exploded.

Microsoft didn't make the decision to allow the faulty input, the person who installed the software did, when they gave it permission to run in kernel mode.

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 6 points 3 months ago

Most of who got hit though was people who contracted with crowd strike directly though. Its not like Microsoft pushed crowdstrike onto people.

[–] andrew@radiation.party 5 points 3 months ago

Because Microsoft isn’t responsible for every program that runs on their OS.

CrowdStrike is an EDR that enterprises choose to install. The bug was caused by a dodgy content bundle update, which is something that’s meant to be 100% safe but evidently they found and triggered a bug.

[–] Abnorc@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Not every enterprise runs crowdstrike, so it’s not Microsoft’s fault. I was having trouble finding out what happened because our computers were working normally, lol. The XKCD comic tipped me off.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 3 months ago

🤖 I'm a bot that provides automatic summaries for articles:

Click here to see the summaryA widespread technology outage grounded flights, knocked banks offline and media outlets off air on Friday in a massive disruption that affected companies and services around the world and highlighted dependence on software from a handful of providers.

“Due to the worldwide Microsoft outage, all Maryland courts, offices, and facilities will be closed to the public today but will remain open for emergency matters,” the judiciary said in a news release.

“While things are still very uncertain, we do not anticipate a major macroeconomic or financial market impact at this stage,” Jennifer McKeown, chief global economist at Capital Economics, said in a written comment.

At the Narita International Airport near Tokyo, passengers of low-cost carrier Jetstar Japan formed long lines waiting at the airline’s departure counter, where boarding had to be processed manually due to a system failure.

At Hong Kong’s airport, hundreds of travellers were queuing for manual check-in around the counters of budget airline HK Express, which said that its global e-commerce system was affected by Microsoft’s service outage.

CrowdStrike CEO George Kurtz said the company was working to fix problems created for Windows users of its tools by a recent update in a post on the social media platform X.


Saved 94% of original text.