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Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel (www.aljazeera.com)
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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 181 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Al Jazeera Arabic presenter Tamer Almisshal has had his Facebook profile deleted by Meta 24 hours after the programme Tip of the Iceberg aired an investigation into Meta’s censorship of Palestinian content titled The Locked Space.

The programme’s investigation, which aired on Friday, included admissions by Eric Barbing, former head of Israel’s cybersecurity apparatus, about his organisation’s effort to track Palestinian content according to criteria that included “liking” a photo of a Palestinian killed by Israeli forces."

Deplatforming journalists, or anyone, is a terrible thing to do.

[–] Jessvj93@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The jokes people made on Twitter saying "I'm probably gonna be put on a list for retweeting this/liking this" was actual reality on FB?!

[–] shadysus@lemmy.ca 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is a current problem with Twitter as well:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/08/twitter-saudi-arabia-human-rights-abuses

Saudi authorities illegally requesting data from Twitter / flipping twitter employees to figure out who is posting opposing views. Some of which lead to arrests, torture, imprisonment, and death sentences.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's reality on Twitter too. Their are whole industries tracking people and their ideologies and tying that to their identities. You just haven't pissed off the right group yet so you haven't found out which list you're on

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 160 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Equating Israel to Judaism is such a stupid fucking idea.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm really, really tired of immediately denouncing Israel half the time people find out I'm Jewish. I'm not a fucking Israeli.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Israeli government is really happy to rope you and all other Jewish people outside of Israel along though. And too many unfortunately play that role happily.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And too many unfortunately play that role happily.

See? This is what I mean. If I just announced that I was Jewish to someone like you, you'd make me justify it by denouncing Israel. I shouldn't have to do that. It should not be assumed that just because I'm a Jew, I support Israel. Frankly, that's a form of racism.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're saying you should blame Israel for that, not random people trying to find out who's who

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why not blame both? Why should they be trying to find out who's who. If you found out someone was Turkish, would you immediately ask them if they supported Erdogan? If someone was Hungarian, would you try to find out if they supported Orban?

I don't know if you're an American, but how would you like it if, every time you met a non-American, you would have to announce that you don't support Trump because they're trying to "find out who's who?"

[–] AdlachGyfiawn@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

As an American, Trump is the first thing many of my European friends talk about

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[–] ytg@feddit.ch 16 points 1 year ago

The Israeli government doesn't even represent all Israelis, let alone all Jews. Does represent the vast majority unfortunately

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (29 children)

I dont mean you personally, but organizations that claim to represent the jewish people in various countries. For instance the American Jewish Committee that claims Jews critisizing Israel would be antisemites and tries to have the UN comittees dissolved that adress the human rights situation in Palestine. Or a bit larger but slightly more moderate the World Jewish Congress, that wants "to enhance solidarity among Jewish communities throughout the world and, recognizing the centrality of the State of Israel to contemporary Jewish identity, to strengthen the bonds of Jewish communities and Jews in the Diaspora with Israel"

These organizations claim to represent Jewish people around the world and that they would be in favor of Israel and support Israel, especially in face of criticism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jewish_Committee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Jewish_Congress

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[–] aidan@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The issue is that both antiseminites and Zionists do want Jewish to mean Israeli. Same with being Israeli doesn't mean your Jewish or a Zionist

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nah, it a brilliant idea if you want to deflect criticism of Israel's right-wing government. What's stupid is believing it.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Oh, from that perspective is genius. But any moron that buys into it should be ridiculed

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[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 151 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Oof. I just want to say as a Jew that is constantly trying to dispel the myth of Jewish media conspiracies, Zuck really isn't doing us any favors here.

[–] Cyberwitch_7493@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 1 year ago (5 children)

And not all Jewish people support Israel! I have to assume many understand what's going on and side with Palestine.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (11 children)

What does "side with Palestine" mean? I side with the innocent people unjustly targeted in both Israel and Palestine, Israel has tolerated completely unjust treatment of Palestinians as well as done it as a state. But, groups like HAMAS also fire missiles at innocent civilians. Not to mention the many nations that have tried to unprovoked invade Israel. I'm not saying the Israeli government is innocent, it's not, but it's more complicated than just "siding with Palestine" being the right answer.

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago

I've been to Jewish gatherings where they had duplicates of some food products because half of them insisted on eating an Israeli brand and half of them refused to.

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[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's and asshole regardless of his lineage, not because of it. Just so you know someone else out here has a little grounding in reality.

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks, though unfortunately it's not people like yourself (who understand such things) that worry me.

[–] mishimaenjoyer@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

i still wait for the day when i can criticize the state of israel and some of it's policies without getting branded as an antisemite.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And those of us Jews who don't support the state of Israel can't wait for the day we stop getting tied to it just because we're Jews. So there's problems both ways.

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[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, not so much a conspiracy, but Israel is employing social media propaganda, similiar to the infamous russian "troll factories". It was often very well noticeable on reddit, as sometimes two different accounts posted the exact same comment with pro Israeli talking points. Their main target is facebook and other large plattforms though.

[–] dsemy@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Any sources on any of that?

I often saw this parroted on Reddit, though without sources. What I didn’t see, is what you described as “very well noticeable” - and I used Reddit a lot.

Anytime I look up this stuff I can only find relevant information from obscure websites which don’t list any sources. This honestly does seem like a conspiracy.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At this point it's a given that any nation state with an interest in PR has their online troll teams.

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[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Meta are acting as an international agency curtailing journal8sm as it suits them. Using Meta "logic", they'd need to do the same for the Ukranian reporters, which we also would never condone.

[–] Absolutemehperson@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Can people actually criticise Israel and get away with it? Hasn't been the case for the past decade or even more. This is hardly news.

[–] Instigate@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’ve found that you definitely can outside of the US. Growing up in Australia I was always taught the ‘both sides’ argument regarding Israel/Palestine, and I’ve literally never met a person who didn’t support a two-state solution. A Jewish family I grew up with were notoriously anti-Israel, specifically because Israel has given them bad names by committing atrocities in response to other atrocities. You might find a few right wing nutjobs that refuse to allow criticism of Israel, but generally they’re the ones that are ostracised by the majority.

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