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[–] ayaya@lemdro.id 106 points 2 years ago (5 children)

This is the year of the Jellyfin desktop

[–] micka190@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Year of the enshitification, more like.

It feels like every company just decided 2023 was the year they finally pulled the trigger and tried to cash-out and bail.

[–] thantik@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (3 children)

With Plex adding "Live TV" and all the other shit for the past 6 years, their enshittification isn't new. Most people I know still on Plex are only doing so because they paid for a lifetime pass. They're full on sunk-cost-fallacy.

[–] _TK@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I'm still on Plex because the app experience just isn't there on Jellyfin yet. It's close, but switching audio/subtitle tracks is not as intuitive or straightforward as I want yet. I'm thinking it will probably be ready for my server in a year or two.

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[–] Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Remember how everyone lost their mind over Silicon Valley Bank earlier this year?

That was largely symptomatic of venture capital increasingly pulling out of tech. Partially because of the ongoing "are we in a recession or are we just acting like it?" mess. Partially because signs are good that we are going to have another Pandemic and are likely to handle it even more poorly. And partially because it has increasingly been clear that one company trying to pivot to become profitable means another startup takes their place.

And that means that a lot of the tech companies that have been operating at a loss for years/decades need to get their shit together.

Some of it is just frantic attempts to stem the bleeding resulting in bad will that will likely blow over (Reddit a few months ago... and twitter every week at this point). Some of it is a focused effort to start horrible so that the "compromise" is still favorable (MAYBE Unity?).

But expect more of this. Because it is largely the difference between existing and going bankrupt within the next year or two.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Tech has always been geared towards losing money to provide a valuable service but the understanding from investors who don't loan for free is that at some point you turn on the profit engine. Some tech companies are able to generate revenue without necessarily making their product awful for users, but the more pull and pressure investors have, and the more driven by impatience, the enshittifier things become.

The Fed turning off the free money tap last year by starting to raise interest rates was an inevitable wake up call for investors that they needed to change their model to start profiting or at least lose less. Many, many companies, users and products are experiencing US's investors-first-and-only capitalism's inevitable end; it destroys the good it created. Companies without long-term investors or leverage to hold off investors willing to kill the golden goose either enshittify, or if they don't have a way to enshittify, go under.

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

Interest rates. No free money.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Interest rates went up and the flood of money from investors went down.

Investors are probably demanding a return on their massive amounts of speculative investing in the tech industry.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

There seems to be a pattern in services like this where they launch as a good idea that's under priced and take off like a rocket, then growth levels off as everyone is either already using the service or never will regardless of what they do. Once you reach that point, however, you still need to show revenue growth because capitalism, so if you can't get more users you either have to make the service more expensive for the users you have, or cheaper to run. The former we see happening all over the place, and the latter is actually a good thing in limited amounts as unnecessary parts are trimmed off, but will almost always also result in useful features being axed. Hence why everything seems to be getting more expensive and worse.

[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It’s great. Clean, minimal. Love it. Plex is like a titanic. Way too much heft for me. It’s also corporate, so hard pass

[–] mrsgamedev@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've got gigs of music and rip all my Blu-rays. Jellyfin was a shock! Runs so much smoother, streaming faster. I had no idea streaming over my network can be effectively lag free. It's also nice having a choice of players, some work better for Android Auto, some better on my Windows desktop etc.

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[–] TurnItOff_OnAgain@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would be on Jellyfin now if they had a good Xbox app.

[–] SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lack of an official tvOS app and Plex being easy to set up for my family keeps me from switching.

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I made the switch this week. Jellyfin took about 10 minutes to set up and left it overnight to scan my files. I only had to make a few corrections.

You can always try it out in a VM or container or even run both at once.

You can cast it onto a chrome cast though I haven't tried this yet.

[–] TurnItOff_OnAgain@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It has to be as easy as plex is for watching for me to switch, otherwise my wife won't go for it.

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[–] Owljfien@iusearchlinux.fyi 2 points 2 years ago

Casting is as easy as it is on plex, I have a plex lifetime pass and can't think of anything useful it does that jellyfin can't do too.

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[–] GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would love to switch but there's two things stopping me: Less support (if any?) for multi-users and remote access, and less app support especially when transcoding is needed. Also would be nice to not lose Overseerr when switching, I'm sure there's a fork of that though.

[–] maxprime@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Putting Jellyfin behind a reverse proxy and making multiple users are both well supported features.

And wait until you hear about Jellyseer!

[–] GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I suppose it might be time to try! Last I tried Jellyfin, multiuser wasn't really a thing.

[–] ayaya@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

And while there is less app support in terms of clients the transcoding is actually better. It doesn't need a Plex Pass for hardware transcoding and it has way more options. You can do things like encode in H.265 (if the client supports it) and fine tune the tonemapping for HDR.

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[–] palitu@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago

That must have been a long time ago. They have had it for ages!

[–] paholg@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Can I make an account for someone without knowing their password?

Last I tried, literally the only way to create a user was to enter a password. Without something like an email or link to create an account remotely, it's a non-starter for me.

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[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 92 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This is virtually akin to banning AWS or DO. Hetzner are a legitimate and widely used cloud platform.

This is akin to Google blocking Verizon because of some spam calls. A ridiculous premise that shows huge immaturity on Plex's part.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

"a large number of Plex users use the software in violation of its Terms of Service (section "Content and Acceptable Use", bullet items 1 and/or 6), therefore all users will henceforth be banned from using Plex."

[–] turkalino@lemmy.yachts 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Nah, actually we as the plex community need to pull our heads out of our asses and remember that the internet was doing just fine before cloud service providers came along.

If you're not self-hosting, it's not your server.

[–] Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

That... has nothing to do with this? Plex (ignoring the plex pass streaming stuff) mostly just provides a library lookup feature and a solid-ish app and web interface to access your self hosted media.

In this case, the problem is that people are hosting their media libraries in The Cloud. Not because of The Convenience but so that they can instance them and sell access to said media libraries to pay off the hosting fees and turn a profit.

The number of people who are innocently hosting their media library in The Cloud are a fraction of a percent. And most are getting gouged massively on the cost of storage and bandwidth.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 27 points 2 years ago

“Never trust a machine you can’t throw out a window.” - Steve Wozniak

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Pirates will move to self hosted if they can still turn a profit, which they can.

Self hosting is easy and convenient and doesn't require a lot of technical knowledge. Plex are literally harming their own business model by driving away non-technical users with a sledgehammer solution that no one likes.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago

I suspect Plex have a bunch of scary letters from expensive lawyers sat in their office, and this is what they need to do to make them go away.

[–] echo64@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Feels like plex are heading towards removing sharing media altogether. I wouldn't use it if they removed that functionality.

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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.fmhy.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay so serious question here.

Why does Plex get to make this decision?

I don't use Plex. But if they CAN do this, it seems to me there must be some unnecessary cloud dependence in Plex.

A good media server IMHO does not need a cloud connection, it should just work on your local network.

[–] waitmarks@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

yes, they have a centralized login system. It’s my biggest issue with plex and why i am experimenting with switching to jellyfin.

[–] Atropos@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've been running Jellyfin since around it's inception - highly recommend! Not quite as feature heavy as Plex yet, but an excellent community.

[–] protput@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you also have experience with Emby? Not sure yet on what to choose. Guess I'm going to try them both.

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[–] Kuvwert@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Glad I self host all my media

[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Same. With Plex 😅

[–] quantum_mechanic@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Good. There are people out there who ruin all the nice things. Just host your own damn server and download your own content like a normal person.

[–] Anon819450514@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The fine Line of piracy is don't make money out of it. That's my hard line

[–] ruckblack@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago

Yep. That's my line too. The folks running paid servers are ruining it for the rest of us.

Exactly. Though usually once somebody does, that's when the authorities get involved.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Why use plex when jellyfin exist?

I'm more than happy with my jellyfin server knowing nobody can block it against my will.

[–] Stuka@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I get why lemmy loves jellyfin...but its odd to me that plex is so often preferred over emby. I much prefer the latter for several reasons...but actually working offline out of the box is one of the top.

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