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Thought this might be helpful as a lot of these mini PCs are hitting the used market.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Need to add shipping charges to the price...

[–] Piemanding@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago

Hybrid hard drive. Basically, a hard drive with a large solid state cache.

[–] mahin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's a free shipping filter, but if you're not in that country, shipping costs a lot. The solution to that is to add more marketplaces, which I'm going to next. Where are you located?

[–] LoganNineFingers@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Canada for me!

[–] Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Shipping prices would vary depending on location though, right?

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

Actual shipping would vary depending on location, but sellers are padding the shipping charge so they can display a lower unit price.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 62 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Nice, but I wish there was a "Reputable Brand" or "Warranty" filter.

A lot of these boxes are made by the same OEM, and branded a thousand different ways under various names specifically for price fixing on large marketplace portals online - different colors, different cases, but same features without a warranty.

A lot of these fake brand names come out of companies who simply change names once they hit a certain number of bad reviews on marketplaces. Same shitty hardware, different brand name. Beelink and Minisforum are legit, but 'KingHive Pro' is probably made by 'MiniKing', and also sells things under "GamerKing", for example.

[–] fpslem@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Beelink and Minisforum are legit

I wish I knew a lot of this when I first started shopping for a mini PC. I ended up with a Beelink model that I'm quite happy with, but it seems almost luck that I didn't pick another one, and I would have liked a "reputable brand" search function.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Next time, check out Level1Techs on YouTube. Wendell reviews a lot of these devices, and he'll give pretty good feedback on what's legit and what's not. Ho has reviewed MinisForum for years and has consistently recommended them. Just be careful, because he also reviews the more sketchy devices and sometimes recommends them (but with caveats), so don't assume that because it is covered, that it's legit.

[–] fpslem@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for the rec! I also love that you presume that there will be a next time, cuz, uh, that's accurate. These little boxes are powerhouses, I probably want one for a TV set-top box now that all the TV boxes (Roku, Amazon Fire, even Android TV and soon Apple TV) are riddled with ads.

Yeah, I might end up getting one for that. My current TV doesn't have ads, but does have enough smart features to have a Jellyfin app, so I'm good for now. But my SO wants a bigger TV, so that may end up being sooner than later.

[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

Beelink are solid in my opinion, but I was in the same boat, I picked one at random that had the specs I wanted.

[–] mahin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I was mainly looking for used ones like Optiplex, Thinkcenter etc when I made this. Hence those brand filters. Thought they were a much better deal than a beelink, so I guess the site is optimized for that. Oh also can you send the link for the KingHive Pro listing? Might be able to filter out brands like that.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Those were just made up brands, but you can see what I mean if you look through Amazon, eBay, Alibab...etc.

From your own tool you can see these brands stand out:

Some extra context: https://news.risky.biz/risky-biz-news-acemagic-mini-pcs-shipped-with-pre-installed-malware

'AceMagic' AKA 'AceMagician' AKA 'AcePuter' AKA 'AceMini' depending on your market.

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I really like that it is a static website being updated and built on a schedule from github actions.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Number of Drive bays is also a neat filter.

[–] mahin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately this info is rarely provided by sellers.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

I know, which is why it would be extra helpful.

[–] Statick@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don't see a filter for drive bays. I'm on mobile so maybe that's why?

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[–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Looking great! I think it would be amazing if there are filters for processor generations as well as form factor. Thanks for sharing this tool!

[–] mahin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I'll add gen filters. Form factors are tougher because sellers are inconsistent with them.

[–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Not quite as simple as checkboxes, but the ability is there to some degree!

[–] potentiallynotfelix@lemdro.id 5 points 2 days ago

This is a great site, thanks for sharing.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does anyone happen to know if there is a N100 model that supports HDMI-CEC so I can make my old TV set smart with a recent Kodi and maybe some retro-games? But I'd rather not let it consume 9W or whatever such a machine needs all day long. So it'd need to start and shut down on its own. Preferably without manual additional steps involved, hence the CEC...

[–] AceBonobo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I've heard but not confirmed that the various NUC models have CEC

[–] corroded@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have a few services running on Proxmox that I'd like to switch over to bare metal. Pfsense for one. No need for an entire 1U server, but running on a dedicated machine would be great.

Every mini PC I find is always lacking in some regard. ECC memory is non-negotiable, as is an SFP+ port or the ability to add a low-profile PCIe NIC, and I'm done buying off-brand Chinese crop on Amazon.

If someone with a good reputation makes a reasonably-priced mini PC with ECC memory and at least some way to accept a 10Gb DAC, I'll probably buy two.

[–] Concave1142@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've been running OPNsense as a VM in Proxmox for a year on an AliExpress box that doesn't have ECC. If I might ask, why do you have a requirement for ECC?

Before this box, I ran a Dell R230 with pfSense but got tired of the noise and 40 watt power draw.

I've had zero issues without ECC, so I'm just curious about your need for it.

[–] corroded@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

There are really two reasons ECC is a "must-have" for me.

  • I've had some variant of a "homelab" for probably 15 years, maybe more. For a long time, I was plagued with crashes, random errors, etc. Once I stopped using consumer-grade parts and switched over to actual server hardware, these problems went away completely. I can actually use my homelab as the core of my home network instead of just something fun to play with. Some of this improvement is probably due to better power supplies, storage, server CPUs, etc, but ECC memory could very well play a part. This is just anecdotal, though.
  • ECC memory has saved me before. One of the memory modules in my NAS went bad; ECC detected the error, corrected it, and TrueNAS sent me an alert. Since most of the RAM in my NAS is used for a ZFS cache, this likely would have caused data loss had I been using non-error-corrected memory. Because I had ECC, I was able to shut down the server, pull the bad module, and start it back up with maybe 10 minutes of downtime as the worst result of the failed module.

I don't care about ECC in my desktop PCs, but for anything "mission-critical," which is basically everything in my server rack, I don't feel safe without it. Pfsense is probably the most critical service, so whatever machine is running it had better have ECC.

I switched from bare-metal to a VM for largely the same reason you did. I was running Pfsense on an old-ish Supermicro server, and it was pushing my UPS too close to its power limit. It's crazy to me that yours only pulled 40 watts, though; I think I saved about 150-175W by switching it to a VM. My entire rack contains a NAS, a Proxmox server, a few switches, and a couple of other miscellaneous things. Total power draw is about 600-650W, and jumps over 700W under a heavy load (file transfers, video encoding, etc). I still don't like the idea of having Pfsense on a VM, though; I'd really like to be able to make changes to my Proxmox server without dropping connectivity to the entire property. My UPS tops out at 800W, though, so if I do switch back to bare-metal, I only have realistically 50-75W to spare.

[–] Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

Fewer Letters More Letters
NAS Network-Attached Storage
NUC Next Unit of Computing brand of Intel small computers
PCIe Peripheral Component Interconnect Express
RAID Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage
ZFS Solaris/Linux filesystem focusing on data integrity

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