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edit: hey guys, 60+ comments, can't reply from now on, but know that I am grateful for your comments, keep the convo going. Thank you to the y'all people who gave unbiased answers and thanks also to those who told me about Waydroid and Docker

edit: Well, now that's sobering, apparently I can do most of these things on Windows with ease too. I won't be switching back to Windows anytime soon, but it appears that my friend was right. I am getting FOMO Fear of missing out right now.

I do need these apps right now, but there are some apps on Windows for which we don't have a great replacement

  1. Adobe
  2. MS word (yeah, I don't like Libre and most of Libre Suit) it's not as good as MS suite, of c, but it's really bad.
  3. Games ( a big one although steam is helping bridge the gap)
  4. Many torrented apps, most of these are Windows specific and thus I won't have any luck installing them on Linux.
  5. Apparently windows is allowing their users to use some Android apps?

Torrented apps would be my biggest concern, I mean, these are Windows specific, how can I run them on Linux? Seriously, I want to know how. Can wine run most of the apps without error? I am thinking of torrenting some educational software made for Windows.



Let me list the customizations I have done with my xfce desktop and you tell me if I can do that on Windows.

I told my friend that I can't leave linux because of all the customization I have done and he said, you just don't like to accept that Windows can do that too. Yeah, because I think it can't do some of it (and I like Linux better)

But yeah, let's give the devil it's due, can I do these things on Windows?

  1. I have applications which launch from terminal eg: vlc would open vlc (no questions asked, no other stuff needed, just type vlc)
  2. Bash scripts which updates my system (not completely, snaps and flatpaks seem to be immune to this). I am pretty sure you can't do this on Windows.
  3. I can basically automate most of my tasks and it has a good integration with my apps.
  4. I can create desktop launchers.
  5. Not update my system, I love to update because my updates aren't usually 4 freaking GB and the largest update I have seen has been 200-300 mbs, probably less but yeah, I was free to not update my PC if I so choose. Can you do this on Windows? And also, Linux updates fail less often, I mean, it might break your system, but the thing won't stop in the middle and say "Bye Bye, updates failed" and now you have to waste 4GB again to download the update. PS: You should always keep your apps upto date mostly for security reasons, but Linux won't force it on you and ruin your workflow.
  6. Create custom panel plugin.

  1. My understanding is that the Windows terminal sucks? I don't know why, it just looks bad.

I am sure as hell there are more but this is at the top of my mind rn, can I do this on Windows. Also, give me something that you personally do on Linux but can't do it on Windows.

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[–] dlove67@feddit.nl 95 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like Linux better

All the other reasons don't really matter.

[–] Subject6051@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I need new friends, I am gonna replace my best friend with you.

[–] Samihazah@programming.dev 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Friends shouldn't be platform exclusive.

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[–] fubo@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not only what you can do, but what it won't do to you.

Using your computer is not wrong. You shouldn't be punished for it.

Using your computer is not an imposition on someone else. You don't owe anyone for the privilege of using it. You have already paid for it. The OS vendor doesn't have a lien on it; they aren't paying you to rent ad space on your desktop.

You bought it, you own it, you can break it if you like but it's not anyone else's place to tell you what you're allowed to do with it.

Your computer is yours -- just yours -- and it shouldn't be spamming you with ads, filling itself up with junk, or telling you "you're not allowed to do that because of the OS vendor's deals with Hollywood".


I'm not anti-commerce or anti-corporate. My preferred browser is plain old Google Chrome (with uBlock Origin). I buy games on Steam. The game I spend the most hours playing on my Linux system is Magic Arena, hardly an anti-commercial choice. But that's my choice. I buy computers from Linux-focused vendors (currently System76) and I expect my computer to be mine, not the vendor's to do with what they like.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Others have already answered your specific points, which are all (sort of) possible on Windows. I would like to present a quick list of things are not possible on Windows, this is split in 3 parts: Truly impossible, Possible but so convoluted it might as well be impossible, and possible but much harder than what it should.

Truly Impossible

  • Choose your preferred program for things. Sure you can do it for simple stuff like text or video, but what about my graphical interface backend, my file explorer or my DE.
  • Choose your disk format. Again you can use an incredible array of (I think) 3 formats, and while I also only use ext4 on Linux I know BTRFS is there for me if I ever want to switch to a modern filesystem.
  • Customise your system. Again people are going to claim that this is possible on Windows via regedit, but it's not on the same level, I can't have a Windows version stripped of controller support or wireless support if I know I'll never plug a controller or a wireless card on the machine.
  • Upgrade every single component of your system in one go. Because the way programs are installed on Windows you need to upgrade each one on its own.
  • Fix issues with the system, say you found a bug on Linux if you have the expertise you can 100% fix it, on Windows the best you can do is report it and hope for the best.

Almost impossible

  • Using a tiling window manager
  • Virtual desktops that actually work

Harder than what it should

  • Customise Super+ commands
  • Prevent auto updates
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[–] patatahooligan@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Personally I don't care so much about the things that Linux does better but rather the abusive things it doesn't do. No ads, surveillance, forced updates etc. And it's not that linux happens to not do that stuff. It's that the decentralized nature of free software acts as a preventative measure against those malicious practices. On the other side, your best interests always conflict with those of a multi-billion company, practically guaranteeing that the software doesn't behave as you. So windows are as unlikely to become better in this regard as linux is to become worse.

Also the ability to build things from the ground up. If you want to customize windows you're always trying to replace or override or remove stuff. Good luck figuring out if you have left something in the background adding overhead at best and conflicting with what you actually want to use at worst. This isn't just some hypothetical. For example I've had windows make an HDD-era PC completely unusable because a background telemetry process would 100% the C: drive. It was a nightmarish experience to debug and fix this because even opening the task manager wouldn't work most of the time.

Having gotten the important stuff out of the way, I will add that even for stuff that you technically can do on both platforms, it is worth considering if they are equally likely to foster thriving communities. Sure I can replace the windows shell, but am I really given options of the same quality and longevity as the most popular linux shells? When a proprietary windows component takes an ugly turn is it as likely that someone will develop an alternative if it means they have to build it from the ground up, compared to the linux world where you would start by forking an existing project, eg how people who didn't like gnome 3 forked gnome 2? The situation is nuanced and answers like "there exists a way to do X on Y" or "it is technically possible for someone to solve this" don't fully cover it.

[–] yoshipunk123456@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not be spied on by microsoft

[–] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

I get the sneaking suspicion that this is the kind of response OP mean by "biased answers," but it's also just true. Some distros will harvest data, but it's much easier to avoid than with Windows

[–] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Soon with Plasma 6 and Wayland, you can let your Desktop crash but still keep all your Windows after the new Desktop spawned. This also means you can replace your KDE desktop with Gnome, XFCE Hyprland and some others whithout needing to logout or close applications.

Additionally you can save current states of the application with Wayland. Shit is getting so interesting right now.

Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=sAlIcn5meSCDKq3K&v=jlDhpFjBWiw

[–] betwixthewires@lemmy.basedcount.com 30 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Open a link in any browser i like. Say "no" to updates. Have a main menu that doesn't look like a kiosk at the mall. Have my habits on my computer kept to myself. Install applications from outside an application store. Not need an antivirus software.

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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago

Use a system that's not a personalized ad billboard

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Haha it's very easy now: I have an os with no adds.

I am the one telling the os when it updates or not and when it reboots or not.

I have a working terminal so I don't need dozens of shady softwares to do basic stuff like transferring a file on a local network.

And the biggest ones: I can disable my firewall and no defender will erase files from my computer without my consent.

Video games work surprisingly well today. Recent ones at least.

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[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Docker! I have never experienced a more unpleasant software than Docker for Windows.

[–] bzxt@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think I read somewhere a while ago that Docker is only really "native" on Linux, because on Mac and Windows it spawns some internal virtual machine or something like that. Not sure if i remember it correctly but that would probably be a reason for worse performance i guess.

[–] nous@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

There is a native windows docker as well, where you can run windows containers inside it. But no one uses it, everyone just wants to use the linux containers which require a linux kernel and thus virtualisation on windows. Performance should not be worst on it though, but the layer of a VM added to it adds a layer of jank to make it appear to work like the native linux version (ie mounting host folders need to be mounted on the VM first before they can appear in docker, and while that is mostly transparent it can cause a few issues with some things).

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[–] packetloss@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Update the OS and all installed applications using a single command.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, none of this "stop what you're doing, Microsoft is doing updates now" bullshit.

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[–] gornius@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have an actual sane developer experience? There is a reason why almost every developer that uses Windows actually uses WSL.

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[–] gamer@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Connect a printer and have it just work.

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[–] starman@programming.dev 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's easier to run C/C++ compiler (GCC) on GNU/Linux

[–] NormandyEssex@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Most if not all of these seem very easily done on windows. You can create scripts as you like and set up environment variables like vlc. Control of updates I’m not so sure about, I haven’t messed with it I just let it auto update.

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[–] rah@feddit.uk 19 points 1 year ago

Modify the software.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

Install software updates when you want, and not lose half the day while they install.

[–] tho@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  1. adjust the drift speed of a thinkpad trackpoint
  2. stream audio from one computer to another one (or a phone) with ease (thanks pulseaudio)
[–] tho@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

btw 1 is literally impossible, there's no gui driver setting, there's no regedit switch, no nothing. on linux you just need to write to this file /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/serio2/drift_time

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Use only the amount of CPU power I need, and have my stuff be top priority, rather than picking up the dregs when Windows indexing and updates and other services have a little bit of CPU to spare.

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[–] hellvolution@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

I can actually use my computer on Linux!

[–] UFODivebomb@programming.dev 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

unlink

Specifically the operation of removing a file from a path without requiring the file to be unused. Open references to the file can still exist by processes.

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[–] Aatube@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

FYI you can use LibreOffice with a ribbon-like toolbar or better yet experimental contextual groups.

[–] dark_stang@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I can use my computer without it installing software I don't want (like when Windows installs candy crush) and without it advertising to me.

[–] Shareni@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

without it advertising to me

Ubuntu users cough awkwardly

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[–] staticlifetime@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

Sanely use multiple workspaces.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

If by adobe you just mean photoshop, that works fine on linux, or you can get the version of GIMP with the photoshop menus. Wider adobe, that's a vm.

MS Word, I reckon Libre's fine but YMMV, there's office 365 anyway.

Games as noted are mostly there.

Many torrented apps : If you mean the *arrs etc, they go fine, better even (more contained, safer) in docker

Android apps: We've had Waydroid for a while now.

Hopefully that puts the FOMO to rest...

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[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In a nutshell:

  • Have (real) user control.
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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Find my hosts file without googling where it is.

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[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago

Pass-through hardware in Docker.

[–] al177@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago
  1. sudo dd if=never_gonna_give_you_up.mp3 of=/dev/sda

  2. Say "It's a UNIX system! I know this."

  3. Make your capslock LED blink along with network activity using a built-in kernel driver

  4. Fix bugs yourself

[–] ShouldIHaveFun@feddit.ch 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
  1. MS word (yeah, I don't like Libre and most of Libre Suit) it's not as good as MS suite, of c, but it's really bad.

Have you tried onlyoffice? Its interface is closer to ms office and an online version can even be self hosted and integrated with nextcloud or seefile.

It has apps for Linux and Android

https://www.onlyoffice.com/

Edit:

Here is the link to the standalone desktop app (not the online version): https://www.onlyoffice.com/desktop.aspx

And here is the link to the supported OSes for the desktop app (incl download links): https://www.onlyoffice.com/download-desktop.aspx

Finally, here is the link to the github repo of the desktop app: https://github.com/ONLYOFFICE/DesktopEditors

[–] phanto@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Possibly dumb question, but... can Windows pipe things? Like, can I pipe a grep to a text file, or send stdout to a text? Or, like, tee a command onto the end of a config? I don't use this a lot in Linux, but I have never done in Windows and literally don't know if it can be.

[–] ipha@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

In powershell, kinda -- but it's unpleasant. Everything is an object which you pipe between commands, but it's not a text stream so the receiving end has to explicitly understand what it's receiving.

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[–] CornHead764@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Not update if I don’t want to

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[–] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Desktop customization; I am using KDE Plasma, and I have two panels: one on the right, which has a "task manager", and the top panel which has an app-launcher, pager, clock, cpu load, and the system tray. I don't know if you can even have two panels in Windows.

Modularity: Switch whatever component with whatever you see fit. You can switch out the desktop environment you're using, switch out the sound server, the init system, the bootloader, etc.

You can update flatpaks using a bash script, you can even make a command to update system packages and flatpaks, by just adding alias update="sudo pacman -Syu && flatpak update" to your ~/.bashrc file.

[–] chili1553@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Compiz Fusion wiggly windows/cube

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