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"How has Stein fared as a leader? By AOC’s perfectly reasonable standard, she’s done abysmally. As of July 2024, a mere 143 officeholders in the United States are affiliated with the Green Party. None of them are in statewide or federal offices. In fact, no Green Party candidate has ever won federal office. And Stein’s reign has been a period of indisputable decline, during which time the party’s membership—which peaked in 2004 at 319,000 registered members—has fallen to 234,000 today.

This meager coalition can’t possibly kick-start a legitimate political movement, capable of organizing voters and advancing ideas outside of perennial electoral events. It’s just large enough, however, to spoil the work of those who put in this kind of work."

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[–] Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Wait, the Green Party only had 300k members at it's peak? That's 0.001% of the American population. Why are all the tankies in here talking about how voting for Stein will make a difference? That's not even enough to consider her a contender in most states, much less for the whole country.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Hey, at their peak, when Nader was running in 2000 and Bush was installed as President by the Supreme Court, the Greens got 2.7% of the vote!

The best they've done since then is Stein in 2016 with 1.07%.

Generally, they're 0.1%, 0.3%. In that range.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 hours ago

Because they can smugly claim to have accomplished something with their vote while the country burns around them. Must be nice not being at risk under a Trump administration.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 13 points 9 hours ago

Jill Stein is so bad that if I lived in a ranked choice voting state, I would still rank her pretty low.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 39 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

When I was a teenager and foolish and a republican, we campaigned for the green party because we thought we could trick democrats into voting green but we'd never get them to vote republican. make of that what you will.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 18 points 11 hours ago

It's literally one of the things they do every election. This isn't new. Or even news. Unless people were living under a rock, or blind.

Just like Russia, China, etc help any misinformation and disinformation campaign they can all over the world in other countries. All chaos is good for them in the end. Even if their ideal candidate doesn't win, the bickering they help stole makes it harder for other countries to rally very well against their interests.

It's the same reason the US has done the same shit all over as well. Promoting and supporting coups is a national passtime because it helps the US indirectly either way.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

Green / Red...can't ell the difference when you're colorblind.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 119 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

It's a two party system. Everybody knows if you run as a third party you're merely increasing the chances that the ones furthest from you politically will be elected.

It's impossible for a third party candidate to be running for president in the US in good faith unless they're complete fucking idiots with no idea how the political system works.

Jill Stein knows how the system works. So obviously she's not acting in good faith.

Simple as that.

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 35 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Seems like you beat the coin flip today, and people agree with you. Watch out, next time the Libertarians and Communists will tell you that just getting on the ballot is enough to make a dent in the two party system...

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 30 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

The communist party of the United States has consistently refused to run candidates for major offices very specifically to avoid spoiling the vote.

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 23 points 13 hours ago (13 children)

The Communist Party, yes. The air-quote Communists on Lemmy are just as happy to tell you to vote third party as anyone else.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

Oh yeah the kind who will do anything so long as it won’t help

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[–] cabbage@piefed.social 41 points 15 hours ago

It's a thread about the Green Party, those trolls don't bother coming here. The third party enthusiasts only show up for the Harris threads.

...speaking of good faith.

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[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 27 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It makes total sense for Russia to make Jill Stein a Russian asset because it neutralizes an anti-oil organization. Oil is very important to Russia’s economy so of course they don’t want any phase-out of fossil fuels.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It's much more simple. If Trump wins, Russia gets the Ukraine. Putin put the war in motion thinking Trump was a sure bet last election.

It why Trump is trying to pull us out of all our treaties. I think he gives Putin a run at all of Europe possibly.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 1 points 46 minutes ago

~~the~~ Ukraine

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

The Green Party is mostly a joke anyway.

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