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John Grisham, George R.R. Martin and more authors sue OpenAI for copyright infringement::John Grisham, Jodi Picoult and George R

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh, so that's what GRRM is doing instead of writing the next ASOIAF book!

But seriously, AI proponents seem to think it's the Wild West and they can use whatever they want, for profit, with no repercussions...

[–] pavnilschanda@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thinking about it, perhaps GRRM should've used AI as a sounding board in order to get his book finished much sooner.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As much as I complain about his extreme slowness, I'd still rather get a book written 100% by GRRM! The computers can get their turn after he, me, you, and everyone else is dead...

[–] pavnilschanda@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I get your sentiment, and I'm not gonna argue against it. As a freelance illustrator, I've had my own fair share of problems meeting deadlines. I wish I can just make art at my own pace, but my clients want work to be churned out as soon as possible. Which I will relate this conversation with AI. I feel like AI (at its current usage) just perpetuates the vicious cycle in capitalism where quantity trumps quality, or that they have unrealistic expectations for work to be of high quality but with unrealistic deadlines. That's why they turn to AI.

[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

AI proponents seem to think it’s the Wild West

How exactly has OpenAI harmed GRRM? It's not like you can ask it to output a free copy of an entire book.

Last I checked, the author is doing just fine, and I'm sure if he finishes another book before retiring it will sell very well regardless of the outcome of this lawsuit.

Also - I bet if OpenAI's balance sheet were public there wouldn't be any profits to be found. They're losing money hand over fist.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If they used his works to train models without arranging proper licensing prior they've been unjustly enriched.

[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This probably won't be successful. Enough time has passed that GRRM's books moved into the public domain while we were waiting for Winds of Winter

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe AI can finally finish the series.

[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It would probably come up with something nonsensical and stupid like Dani goes nuts and destroys King's Landing and Tyrion talks about how Bran has the most interesting story of all and should be king

[–] greyhathero@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are we just going to keep posting this changing which famous author is listed?

[–] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Probably, but it needs to happen. Even this stupid comment belongs to me. If you respond, that belongs to you.

I'm classically trained in machine learning. There's not much different from what we did when I first started my career and now except for the quantity of data and the computing power that gpus have gotten us.

Hal 9000 from 1968 worked on a neural network. I've had to explain that a number of times.

[–] BURN@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is going to keep happening until one side wins (I’m with the Authors 100% here)

AI is a complete legal gray area, and will continue to be until precedent is set. Nobody has found what is and isn’t allowed under copyright law yet, and unfortunately I’m pretty sure the judges ruling on this aren’t going to be completely informed

[–] Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago

It's actually not that hard to figure out. It's not the same thing, but here's an article by Kit Walsh, who’s a senior staff attorney at the EFF explains how image generators work within the law. The two aren't exactly the same, but you can see how the concepts would apply. The EFF is a digital rights group who most recently won a historic case: border guards now need a warrant to search your phone.

[–] DaDaDrood@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago

I understand that authors and artists in a more general sense are very, very concerned. The problem is that this has nothing to do with AI. If I were to generate a story based on their work, I simply cannot distribute it without legal repurcusions. Doesn’t matter if I used AI or not. The problem lies, once again, at the publishers. They can churn out copy after copy using AI and abuse the artist in that regard. Something similar is happening with DC Fables and it’s creator(who in a gigachad move just threw the entire IP into the public domain).So what we need is copyright reform. Artists deserve to be paid adequately for their work and should be protected from being ‘impersonated’ by publishers using whatever means, not strictly AI. All these ban AI discussions miss the underlying point completely, being copyright reform. AI just sped up the proces 100 times.

[–] DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Well if Georgy-boy would finish a book, maybe his job wouldn't be on the line to a robot?

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

*Former author, George R.R Martin.

That mofo just been watching TV and playing videogames the past decade+.

[–] Lightrider@lemmynsfw.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Jelly_mcPB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Are you saying peoples intellectual property should be free range,